Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:54:48 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 191 Message-ID: References: <7724e57e-537c-4ab8-a6c3-61212844c7fb@googlegroups.com> <7a8965a4-7f49-421d-b895-c0d06968ce6c@googlegroups.com> <54f894fe-4e09-43fa-b4d7-1a8965e3c34f@googlegroups.com> <94c81b44-9ae3-4157-bb40-110410954aa6@googlegroups.com> <997efb52-78e7-4992-a731-498f9ea4a633@googlegroups.com> <76479349-c9d3-452e-9471-c84531698d80@googlegroups.com> <6ae82e0f-ddd0-4082-934f-a0647aae51a2@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4wpt9zq8xR26Ttf9mo2BA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:41213 On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:08:32 -0400, rickman wrote: > On 8/7/2015 12:10 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:28:10 -0400, rickman wrote: >>> On 8/5/2015 8:44 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:25:30 -0400, rickman wrote: >>>>> On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all >>>>>>>>>> energy needs, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [link] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> About 6:40 >>>>>>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick, >>>>>>>>> that was so safe, that was so simple" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an >>>>>>>> explanation of >>>>>>>> it. My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a >>>>>>>> reactor without creating a disaster. The real problem with nuclear >>>>>>>> power is the generation of waste products. Interesting also is >>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt >>>>>>>> reactor... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the >>>>>>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to >>>>>>>> validate >>>>>>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors >>>>>>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used >>>>>>>> thorium, >>>>>>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [link] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> [link] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that >>>>>>> output water >>>>>>> >>>>>>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high >>>>>>> pressure ones now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get >>>>>>> this going >>>>>>> >>>>>>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human >>>>>> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year >>>>>> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must >>>>>> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone >>>>>> should just go ahead and build one. >>>>>> >>>>>> And that's exactly what China is doing right now. >>>>>> >>>>>> US helping China to build MSR: >>>>>> [link] >>>>>> >>>>>> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power: >>>>>> [link] >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle. >>>>> >>>>> And what does China do with the nuclear waste? >>>>> Perhaps we can send ours to let them dispose of? >>>>> >>>> >>>> With all the food contamination and other scandals from China, >>>> do you seriously have to ask? >>>> >>>> E.g., pulled from the Internet, the Chinese supposedly have: >>>> >>>> sold noodles made with pond water used to wash feet and clothes, >>>> sold meat injected with brine from bacteria infested pond water, >>>> sold fake condoms, >>>> sold fake sanitary napkins which were poisonous, >>>> sold fake cooking oil made from sewer waste, >>>> sold drinking straws contaminated with soluble poisons, >>>> sold meat from domestic cats as rabbit meat, >>>> sold meat from rats, minks, foxes as lamb, >>>> sold imported meat from the 1980's which had thawed and rotted, >>>> sold rice contaminated with cadmium, >>>> sold milk contaminated with melamine, >>>> sold toothpaste contaminated with melamine, >>>> sold dog food with an unknown poison lethal to dogs, >>>> sold fake chocolates contaminated with insects or moths, >>>> sold numerous products contaminated with lead paint, >>>> counterfeited anything and everything, >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> While some of that may be internet myths and lies, all of it >>>> can't be. The list goes on and on and is too overwhelming. >>>> So, using history as a guide, i.e., former Soviet republics >>>> that sold radioactive furniture, and the fact that there is >>>> no rule of law in China, they'll likely mix it with something >>>> and sell it ... to you and others. They'll give it to their >>>> uneducated and unprotected citizens, in a recycling city, >>>> perhaps Guiyu, who'll likely mix it with scrap metal, recycle >>>> the metal, make furniture or children's swing sets out of >>>> the metal, and then sell the radioactive product. They seem >>>> to like selling radioactive products to France ... according >>>> to the internet. >>>> >>>> Don't forget, there have been numerous metal products found >>>> to contain Cobalt-60, which is only made in nuclear reactors, >>>> i.e., most likely waste sourced from Russia ... >>> >>> Wow! I thought our resident madman was someone else... >>> >> >> Said the guy who wants China to take our nuclear waste ... >> Everyone knows it's the Italians who take hazardous waste >> and bury it illegally for profit, i.e., the triangle of death. >> >> >> For those of you who don't know what I was talking >> about in my prior post of this one, here are links to >> Wikipedia pages on the issues: >> >> Triangolo della morte (Italian triangle of death) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_of_death_(Italy) >> >> Food safety incidents in China (36 major incidents) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China >> >> Chinese milk scandal 2008 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal >> >> Illegal cooking oil made from sewer waste >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil >> >> Radioactive scrap metal >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_scrap_metal >> >> Cobalt-60 (scrap metal contamination under "Safety") >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt-60 >> >> Guiyu, Guandong (e-waste city) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiyu_%28town%29 >> >> Ferrero Rocher wins legal battle against >> counterfeit chocolatier from China 2010 >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557869/Chocolate-giant-Ferrero-wins-year-battle-Chinese-counterfeiters.html >> >> >> And, of course, Youtube has numerous videos of "Ferrero >> Rocher" chocolates, which are actually counterfeit Chinese >> chocolates, infested with maggots, insects, and worms ... >> > > Clearly we have found a hot button... > What? So, none of those are significant or relevant enough for you? How about global warming? (cue the music) The greens, earthers, liberals killed the nuclear industry in the United States in the 1970's. The U.S. then built thousands of coal burning power plants afterwards. The U.S. burned the fossil fuel for over four decades contributing to green house gases which cause global warming. The greens, typified by high profile celebrities and politicians, like Jane Fonda and Al Gore, now want to control the problem which they created by "doing good." Not only that, but they now want to profit from their mess by creating emissions controls and carbon regulations which can be bought and sold for profits. What a bunch of hypocrites. Rod Pemberton -- Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. So, I guess we need more global warming today ...