Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.etla.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: OT: ObamaCare vs. Google Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:40:29 -0500 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <1f417310-eee5-4c00-a34f-2efd28661a86@googlegroups.com> <99CdnV3zyb0X_grPnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@supernews.com> <5fqdnX7-qu_5gQXPnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:27222 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 23:47:30 -0500, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > On 11/28/13 3:24 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:38:50 -0500, Andrew Haley >> wrote: >>> Mark Wills wrote: >> 6) ObamaCare will cost me 4 times as much without a Federal subsidy >> and 2 times as much with. How exactly is that fixing the problem of >> healthcare costs being too high? ... > > I don't know where you live or what you base this on, or whether your > more expensive coverage is more comprehensive than previously, or any of > the other facts that would relate to that statement. I do know that my > church and my daughter's small business are seeing ~10% increases next > year, but the coverage is better. My daughter will probably get a > subsidy, but we don't know how much yet. > When I read your reply, it rang so untrue that the word "bullshit" popped into my head. So, I stopped reading the other responses. I decided to wait until I could ask my retired, elderly parents about their insurance. After filtering out Gavino's rash of responses, there are now thirty four replies. My parents insurance increased by over $6,000 this year. They asked their insurance company why it increased so much. The answer was that it _purely_ due to the ACA. They had to cancel their healthcare which they have had since my dad had retired. Eventually, they found a replacement policy, with far less coverage, but enough. It cost "only" $1,300 more than they had been paying. However, their deductible went from well under $1,000 to way over $10,000. Now, they've had to make changes to keep that extra money at hand. Can you imagine all the families and elderly who are going to be harmed when they can't come up with such a large deductible in an emergency? So, Obamacare is screwing over nearly everybody, including the elderly, except those that get a free ride, or subsidized ride. If the young are supposed to pay for this, then there is no way that the 26 year age limit for dependent children can stand. I doubt that the subsidies can last for a long time either when there are millions of free riders. This law requires *major* changes to even make it financially viable. Basically, the result is simply going to be that everyone pays a fortune so that a small percentage of the poor, mostly minorities, can have free healthcare. Rod Pemberton