Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: OT: ObamaCare vs. Google Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:24:35 -0500 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <1f417310-eee5-4c00-a34f-2efd28661a86@googlegroups.com> <99CdnV3zyb0X_grPnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:27055 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:38:50 -0500, Andrew Haley wrote: > Mark Wills wrote: > In fairness to Obama, the *political* challeges involved in putting >> [Obamacare] together are probably unfathomable! > > All you need to know about the American healthcare system in one > easy-to-understand graph: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/american-health-care-terrible_n_4324967.html > The HuffingtonPost article complains about costs per person being too large in the US per person as compared to their lifetime. According to the article, those costs are the reason the US is an outlier. You understand that ObamaCare is *raising* costs per person, yes? We're going to be so far to the right we won't fit on the page! LOL. Did you _intend_ to cite that article Andrew? See? Costs go up: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/obamacare-tax-increases-will-impact-us-all See? Costs go up: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/obamacare-increases-premiums-much-305-percent Don't like that group? Here's another one. See? Costs go up: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/10/enrollment-in-obamacare-exchanges-how-will-your-health-insurance-fare Another: http://www.manhattan-institute.org/knowyourrates/ 1) USA is not the only outlier, see Russia... 2) Despite the non-correlation with life expectancy, we have better quality of health care. If you live in the EU, would you go to Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia and Latvia for health care? If you live in the US, would you go to Canada or Mexico for health care? 3) We also have many expensive selective health care options, like plastic surgery and dental. Both of those are likely to distort. With government healthcare, it'll be the cheapest solution. So, we would've likely returned to the norm on that chart, if ObamaCare wasn't jacking prices up through the roof. 3) All non-US countries are in USD PPP (Purchasing Power Parity). Is USA in USD or USD PPP? I can't tell from the article. It's probably in USD, not USD PPP... If so, that would introduce such a distortion. I.e., did the authors assume the two are equal? 4) We have a large class of freeloaders who drive up costs. Hospitals can't refuse care in the US like they can in other countries (Canada, Japan). Their care is primarily via the emergency room instead of via scheduled doctor visits. Those higher costs of emergency room care are paid for by all of us. ObamaCare rolls these freeloaders into the system and provides all of them even more healthcare at our expense. 5) Some countries have higher rates of death which reduces total costs of healthcare. The EU has death rates twice as high as the USA. South Africa has very high rates of death. Germany is actually exporting elderly to other countries to lower their healthcare costs. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes 6) ObamaCare will cost me 4 times as much without a Federal subsidy and 2 times as much with. How exactly is that fixing the problem of healthcare costs being too high? ... Rod Pemberton