Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.us.feeder.erje.net!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 05:11:28 -0600 Sender: Andrew Haley From: Andrew Haley Subject: Re: f.) for Gorth Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth References: <20161208185330.6d26b935@_> <2016Dec9.134735@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2016Dec10.152628@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2ade5911-a790-4ec7-b1da-6ea478225f09@googlegroups.com> <585181ad$0$21509$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <2016Dec15.114203@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> User-Agent: tin/1.9.2-20070201 ("Dalaruan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.32-573.22.1.el6.x86_64 (x86_64)) Message-ID: <_O2dnbK3V5P958_FnZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@supernews.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 05:11:28 -0600 Lines: 30 X-Trace: sv3-v236U9LXVftBvimZTwgWTOFy0yenvGxW6oW65LEBCCuGab4rHGkLzst7Hx65LZ3Pirn/iB8Ozs8r7qP!bl7j+NOhYS1WLsWSfeNiDfWMADFsw11gD35ownKX5cVLNEhbOwMYKZa3VWiB7aj2WS4PRXhEqaOy!j5axx/0= X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2558 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:53350 Anton Ertl wrote: > Andrew Haley writes: >>Forth is the ultimate blue-collar practical language, eschewing >>highfalutin theories in favour of what it takes to get real work >>done. > > There is quite a bit of pragmatism around, but also quite a bit of > dogmatism (especially based on Chuck Moore sayings, but I consider > word-counting which gave us "gems" like F~ to also be in that camp), Umm, what? To what does this refer? > and then there are opinions without any rationale ("I don't like > ..."). That's just because people are people: there will always be someone who doesn't like some code style, and there may well be good reasons for that. Usually, I would have thought, because people get used to working in a particular way, and that way works well in the domains in which they work. A lot may "merely" be simple aesthetics, sure; I don't want to get dragged into claiming anything stronger than my original statement. > And some may see an organizing principle where others see a > highfalutin theory. Quite so. Andrew.