Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Keith Thompson Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: New and improved version of cdecl Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:15:17 -0700 Organization: None to speak of Lines: 48 Message-ID: <87ecqpz24a.fsf@example.invalid> References: <87bjlyobts.fsf@example.invalid> <10dbvqs$12d0f$1@dont-email.me> <10dd0fj$1jbcv$1@dont-email.me> <87jz0l2pal.fsf@example.invalid> <10dei5s$28h93$1@dont-email.me> <8734792h4y.fsf@example.invalid> <10dfusd$2k0q4$1@dont-email.me> <10dgdc7$2of3m$1@dont-email.me> <10dghp5$2q30g$1@dont-email.me> <87h5vo1276.fsf@example.invalid> <20251026131515.000036b6@yahoo.com> <875xc11g47.fsf@example.invalid> <20251027003414.0000407b@yahoo.com> <87ms5dz3ht.fsf@example.invalid> <20251027011239.000065eb@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 23:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="26517a9ddea773fd455ba7963423596a"; logging-data="334038"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/6Lm0h3CCArD3vmeI6TJEc" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DZnzhm/g9OYdPGHIhbOkvnMSxCI= sha1:jyB0Is8HT6Y3XaAP321+/0Kceso= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:394757 Michael S writes: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 15:45:34 -0700 > Keith Thompson wrote: > >> Michael S writes: >> > On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 14:56:56 -0700 >> > Keith Thompson wrote: >> >> Michael S writes: >> >> > On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 13:20:45 -0700 >> >> > Keith Thompson wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> >> Free software still has to be usable. cdecl is usable for most >> >> >> of us. >> >> >> >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I'd say that it is not sufficiently usable for most of us to >> >> > actually use it. >> >> >> >> Why do you say that? >> > >> > I would guess that less than 1 per cent of C programmers ever used >> > it and less than 5% of those who used it once continued to use it >> > regularly. >> > All numbers pulled out of thin air... >> >> So it's about usefulness, not usability. You're not saying that >> it works incorrectly or that it's difficult to use (which would be >> usability issues), but that the job it performs is not useful for >> most C programmers. > > No, it's about usability. > I'd imagine that in order to be closer to usable tools like that would > better be integrated into programmer's text editor/IDE. Personally, integration into a text editor or IDE would not be useful for me. Of course I accept that it would be useful for you. >> (One data point: I use it occasionally.) > > How about your co-workers? I don't have any at the moment. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */