Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Indexing one past the end of array? Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 06:36:04 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: <86ftk69et7.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <874l0moqit.fsf@bsb.me.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="a0bfc71282e15a9952a47d73886d6801"; logging-data="16009"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18qD33WUXwMxYdh7H6raVNA8tyQ8c0xTUU=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:WrHakH3/jy5YwU8fsy3gD2WoNBI= sha1:rU/feX9pkBYhgYdSea4sErO2OPA= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:146638 Ben Bacarisse writes: > Keith Thompson writes: > >> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson writes: >> >>> Dear comp.lang.c, >>> >>> I've been reading a thread on LWN[1], notably this quote: >>> >>>> Just some pedantry, but I believe you're allowed to point to the first >>>> element after the end of an array, as long as you don't dereference >>>> that element. Pointer comparisons with such a pointer are supposed to >>>> work, too. >>> >>> Elsewhere, I've read that on embedded systems memory can be allocated >>> right up to the end of memory, and therefore such indexes are invalid >>> (but I cannot remember where). >>> >>> So, is it always legal to calculate one past the end of an array or >>> allocated memory? >>> >>> [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/278137/ >> >> Yes, it's always legal. The language guarantees it. > > > >> A compiler needs to do whatever it has to to make this work as >> specified. Allocating an object at the very end of memory doesn't >> necessarily break this, as long as pointer addition and subtraction >> yield the expected results. > > > >> For example, assume a system with 32-bit addresses and exactly 2**32 >> bytes of addressable memory. Assume an array object >> char buf[100]; >> is allocated starting at address 2**32-100. Then (buf+100) points just >> past the end of the array, and also just past the end of addressable >> memory. As long as evaluating (buf+100)-1 yields a valid pointer to >> buf[99], that's ok. > > A nit: the relational operators (<, >, <=, >=) have to work on the > resulting pointers as well. For example (buf+100)-1 < (buf+100) must be > true, and that's not automatically the case where pointers are > interpreted as unsigned bit patterns. If, however, pointers are signed > 2's complement values, it will all come out in the wash. It took me a while to figure out what you meant by the statement about signed pointers. What I think you mean is that if the signed address of 'buf' is -100, then the comparisons (and arithmetic) all work as required. But if pointers are signed there is still a singularity; it just occurs at a different point in the address space. A 100-byte array starting at 2**31-100 will still have the problem: a pointer past the last element of the array will be less than -- instead of greater than -- a pointer to any element of the array.