Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Walter Banks Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: C is fixed or not ? Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:13:57 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4E15CD35.7D877CEA@bytecraft.com> References: <4e116c59$0$13719$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <5fa80219-4bc8-4af8-9766-54501eb5ab90@j15g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <97ek3iFq2bU2@mid.individual.net> <97ju6fFbcvU1@mid.individual.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4Aj2MciNQf24kk/G8iJW0g.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.c:7847 Ian Collins wrote: > On 07/ 7/11 03:20 AM, lawrence.jones@siemens.com wrote: > > Keith Thompson wrote: > >> > >> The public can submit proposed defect reports via the Internet news > >> group comp.std.c++ > >> > >> and that I personally would like comp.std.c to have a similar status > >> with the C committee. > > > > That's a perfectly reasonable desire. However, the C committee decided > > a LONG time ago that the signal to noise ratio here is far too low for > > it to be a useful source of input. I don't frequent comp.std.c++ so I > > don't know if it's any better or not, but the C++ committee has a lot > > more resources than the C committee does. > > I agree with Keith. comp.std.c is a very low noise group. I don't see > anything there that wouldn't appear on a moderated group. It could be > used as a valuable source of ideas and feedback. > > From what I've seen, compared to C the C++ standardisation process is > more open and inclusive. It is not that there isn't good ideas in comp.std.c and comp.lang.c, there are. Part of the filtering process is determining if an idea is good enough for someone to commit themselves to detailing the specifics and defending it as part of a C committee meeting. This is not a barrier to good ideas and practices but a filter to minimize bad ones. Jacob and others who have presented proposals here are often upset that someone else has not come support to their ideas and technology. They may have better proposals but no-one is prepared to do the work (considerable work) on their behalf. It is like walking into a publishing house and saying I have a great book idea "Gone with the Waves" an adventure plotted between "Moby Dick" and "Gone with the Wind" attached is the notes I wrote last week. I am sure that one of your staff writers can fill in the details and create a manuscript in their spare time. w..