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From: Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de>
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Subject: Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.
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Balog Pal wrote:
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> "Alexander Terekhov" <terekhov@web.de>
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> > The point is that C++ should get rid of ISO and go to ECMA.
> 
> Alex, I could not make out how you address Pete Becker's problem. He claimed
> that his costs using ECMA would be like $15000 vs. the ISO verson's $1200.
> It is a serious difference.
> 
> Do you think it's made up? If not, what is the supposed solution?

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Pete Becker wrote:
> 
> On 2011-06-09 05:49:35 -1000, Alexander Terekhov said:
> 
> > John G Harris wrote:
> > [...]
> >> Or you could put the language under the control of a large company
> >> willing to pay the costs. But what influence do you have over the next
> >> issue of Java and C#?
> >
> > Java aside, C# is Standard ECMA-334:
> >
> > http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm
> >
> > and it is available free of charge.
> 
> Last time I looked, it would have cost me $15,000 per year to
> participate in ECMA. For ISO, through INCITS, the fee is $1200. It's
> very generous of you to suggest that I pay over ten times as much as I

You do know that not for profit orgs such as open source orgs, research
institutes, and government orgs don't pay ECMA membership fees (and
still can vote on technical committee level, but not on general assembly
meetings), right? 

"British Library ... Mozilla Foundation ... Stanford University ... The
Library of Congress ... US Department of Defense"

http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/NFP.htm

"... next category is the small private company. This has a maximum of 5
employees and annual revenues of $5 million per year.  Usually startups
or very small private companies. The membership fee is 3,500 swiss
francs per year.  The next one is a better known term, the SME (small
medium enterprise).  The only qualification is that it must have a
turnover (annual revenues) of $75 million. SMEs pay 17,500 swiss francs
per year in dues.  There's no initiation fee. If you apply in a certain
six month period, invoicing starts at the beginning of the next
"semester."  Semesters begin on January 1 and July 1.  But you get
voting rights on a technical level as soon as you join, even though you
haven't paid yet.  Ordinary members, the highest level pays 70,000
francs.  Associate Members pay 35,000  francs per year.  If you want to
be in the management of the association — in other words be involved at
both a technical and the management level — getting the rights to decide
on budget, who is president, etc., then you must apply for ordinary
membership.  Theoretically, everyone can apply.  but if you were a small
private company, I guess you wouldn't do that because it is too
expensive.  If you want to have the rights to chair technical committees
and do not qualify for one of the first three categories, then you can
apply for an associate membership. "

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/page/interview-with-ecmas-secretarie-general/2259

> currently do so that you can get a free copy of the standard.

regards,
alexander.