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From: cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
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Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CThe?= end of software secrecy is almost upon
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2026 00:41:16 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <11be5t7$19jbi$4@dont-email.me>,
Nuno Silva  <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>[ Keeping the C++ group because that's at least in context, but I'm not
>  subscribing to it at the moment. I suppose this could eventually go to
>  folklore or alt.unix.geeks? ]
>
>On 2026-10-22, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> boltar@battlestar.co.uk writes:
>>>On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:01:38 -0000 (UTC)
>>>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote:
>>>>In article <11bb1da$qfn9$1@dont-email.me>,  <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>Not sure why you think its conspiracy anything. I use the language on a
>>>>>daily basis and everytime a new version comes out I hope they've added
>>>>>something useful but since 2014 its been a law of diminishing returns.
>>>>>Plus there's unexplained omissions - eg threads have been part of the core
>>>>>language since 2011. Great, but what about processes? When do we get them?
>>>>>Sure, I could just use fork() but then I could also just use pthread_create()
>>>>>too. 
>>>>
>>>>One can implement a pretty reasonable threads library given the
>>>>virtual machine model of standard C or C++.  Processes?  With
>>>
>>>Virtual machine? Wrong language , comp.lang.java is that way --->
>>
>> The C/C++ "Virtual Machine Model" as described in the language
>> specifications is an apple.
>>
>> A virtual machine (vmware, kvm, xen, et alia) is an orange.
>>
>>     assert(apples != oranges);
>
>And here I think "virtual machine" was mistaken to be the Java Virtual
>Machine, not the orange type above?
>
>(A grapefruit? Pineapple? Banana?)

The JVM is obviously a lemon.  (Hey-O!)

	- Dan C.