Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!198.186.194.250.MISMATCH!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!news.misty.com!news.iecc.com!not-for-mail From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones? [telecom] Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The Telecom Digest Lines: 43 Sender: news@iecc.com Approved: telecom-moderator@telecom.csail.mit.edu Message-ID: References: <000501cbf189$db2d6530$01fea8c0@dell8100> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.iecc.com X-Trace: gal.iecc.com 1304022953 69146 64.57.183.58 (28 Apr 2011 20:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iecc.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:35:53 +0000 (UTC) MBOX-Line: From news@panix.com Thu Apr 28 15:56:03 2011 In-Reply-To: Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.dcom.telecom:529 In article , Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > >not know but would tend to speculate likely not. I believe there >is really, truly, a 300 fiber bundle running in from the street and >that it's not actively multiplexed until that location. Maybe >there are totally passive ways to do DWDM now so the passive "hubs" >in the building actually have unpowered frequency multipliers/dividers >in them -- I do not know. I have looked into this a bit more; the above is not really correct in two important respects. 1) The fiber "hubs" used by Verizon appear to be passive optical beam splitters/combiners. The network is fully broadcast for downstream communications with a link layer beneath any standard Ethernet framing that emulates point-to-point Ethernet behavior (it would certainly seem that since there is a single downstream transmitter collisions really aren't possible so this should not be hard). Downstream transmissions are encrypted so that, in theory, only a specific ONT can decrypt them. Upstream is a little funny. The upstream signal supposedly propagates only towards the head end (how this is done optically I do not know but I'm sure it's possible), so encryption is not used. I don't know how the head end handles collisions though it appears TDM in the upstream direction is used to attempt to assure they do not occur. 2) Fully passive DWDM/CWDM equipment is, in fact, available from several suppliers, but use of it in a PON deployment such as FiOS would be, at least, not something that is standardized. So, the diagram I have that shows VZ entering the building in question with two fibers -- not 300 -- is almost certainly correct in that detail, and I was speaking whereof I knew not. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@panix.com And now he couldn't remember when this passion had flown, leaving him so foolish and bewildered and astray: can any man? William Styron