Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!news.misty.com!news.iecc.com!.POSTED!nerds-end From: Ivan Godard Newsgroups: comp.compilers Subject: Re: Algol history, was specifying semantics Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 22:20:56 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Sender: news@iecc.com Approved: comp.compilers@iecc.com Message-ID: <14-07-008@comp.compilers> References: <14-06-010@comp.compilers> <14-06-023@comp.compilers> <14-06-025@comp.compilers> <14-06-027@comp.compilers> <14-06-030@comp.compilers> <14-06-031@comp.compilers> <14-06-035@comp.compilers> <14-07-001@comp.compilers> <14-07-005@comp.compilers> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.iecc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: miucha.iecc.com 1404481962 66757 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970 (4 Jul 2014 13:52:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iecc.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: algol68, history, semantics Posted-Date: 04 Jul 2014 09:52:41 EDT X-submission-address: compilers@iecc.com X-moderator-address: compilers-request@iecc.com X-FAQ-and-archives: http://compilers.iecc.com Xref: csiph.com comp.compilers:1298 On 7/3/2014 4:51 AM, Anton Ertl wrote: > > The story I read (IIRC in the HOPL paper on Algol 68 was that this > split happened in 1965 or so, leading to Wirth and Hoare publishing a > paper on Algol W in 1966. So that was not when Algol68 was revised, > but when Algol 60 was revised. Wirth and Hoare wanted a relatively > conservative revision, while the other wanted a revolutionary > revision. Thank you for the update. It was before my day, and I wasn't interested in the politics, and so never quite got it straight. I think one reason why formal semantics (and VWG) never became more popular was that the minority, largely academics, controlled important university posts and journal boards while the more industrial majority did not. I know Klaus Wirth personally prevented publication of papers that differed from the philosophical positions of the minority or that reported work in the majority tradition or from industry. Academic infighting can be quite vicious, and not just in the language world; such politics led to the founding of SP&E, among other things. Ivan