Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Optimization by programmers Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 06:53:37 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <86y0d2vcwu.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <1177fdi$26ea4$1@dont-email.me> <117a9ph$37j48$1@dont-email.me> <1788467534-5857@newsgrouper.org> <1788484298-5857@newsgrouper.org> <1788570532-5857@newsgrouper.org> <117juut$2erud$1@dont-email.me> <117p8dq$3f0og$1@paganini.bofh.team> <117pq4r$gi10$1@dont-email.me> <117thvb$1ocse$1@dont-email.me> <2026Sep10.192237@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <1736alhffrj7iuhfsesdo31bofc0m8pr12@4ax.com> <2026Sep11.083321@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <6aa5876f.783937@news.eternal-september.org> <11890f6$1jr26$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="2558985"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19w3PUo2aJUwqROEyS8gFJLwPTtLgfFOTw="; posting-host="d22a44f9db2d80b4aae7023976fc11e4" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3l4yYLAqYMnFHUOp2642dmpvIqk= sha1:O+3cGJtMBwavjBsjTrmiQgIACfs= sha256:P6JdatCwS2lJOl/PXJ37CRJoGZ+Va9+FLkI5InVWaAY= sha1:sA7JLY4+Bo5JwvzQA8g6U2Y3Lbo= sha256:v5bjDQeUczhdzFuf196mWBA8iWbJqnTvnwUTJ9NVEig= Xref: csiph.com comp.arch:118036 Terje Mathisen writes: [discussing programming in different assembly languages] >> I don't believe that there are any other current architectures out >> there which are as nightmarish to program in assembler as the Itanium, > > Huh??? > > I studied the Itanium architecture manuals and amused myself by > writing asm kernels that took good advantage of the large register > set, including the rotating ones. > > Not at all a nightmare! > > In fact, writing x87 asm by hand, trying to keep every working > variable live on the 8-element stack, is significantly harder IMHO. If you don't mind my saying so, I think you have demonstrated a sufficient level of experience and ability to safely drop the H from IMHO. At least, it seems clear to me that you are world class in this particular area.