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From: Tim Rentsch
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Subject: Re: endian history
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2026 09:15:29 -0700
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anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
> Tim Rentsch writes:
>
>>> With wrapping signed arithmetic, all of the semantics of unsigned
>>> arithmetic is the same, except for right shift and division
>>> operations.
>>
>> Also left shift
>
> No. The funny thing is that AMD64 has both SHL and SAL mnemonics, but
> they encode the same opcodes. E.g.:
>
> D3 /4 SAL r/m32, CL
> D3 /4 SHL r/m32, CL
That may be true for AMD64. It is not true for other
two's complement architectures.