Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!selfless.tophat.at!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:31:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4DF39845.1090402@SPAM.comp-arch.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:31:01 -0700 From: "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" Reply-To: andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net Organization: comp-arch.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Beyond binary compatibility References: <1f86ba2d-52b5-4999-a5b2-0ccbc1b5ed60@k13g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1f86ba2d-52b5-4999-a5b2-0ccbc1b5ed60@k13g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Bz2UX5SOle5jEHRBdvp1GxekaVzKpDdWsAi2b3A+aLT/NBUZ6GleAUhUROcNUqSxsFHg1MXJDkguIMb!/4/z9vvA5573vzQIF7Ju+he4P/xOTViLddn6v9keTRD0ngfiQx7o4tV82nZn X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2646 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.arch:2146 On 6/7/2011 3:02 PM, Paul A. Clayton wrote: > On Jun 7, 11:22 am, MitchAlsup wrote: >> On Jun 7, 2:05 am, "Paul A. Clayton" wrote: >> >>> With respect to microcode, how much of the microcode is >>> merely instruction ROM and how much uses specialized state >>> machines (in the front-end)? >> >> Back in the early days of Opteron with 3K microcode 'words' about 1/2 >> was used for power on initialization and power on checks and never >> used again. The Virtual machine Opterons have 4K microcode words and >> about 1/3 of it ends up "used once". > > So there are no front-end state machines for generating > microcode? (It seemed like something like FXSAVE might use > a state machine to iterate through the register names.) No. There are no front end state machines. Possibly just a microcode loop counter, but that is supporting generic microcode. I advocate state machine support for REP MOVS, etc., but that requires information from execution - the loop count - so it is not purely a front end state machine.