Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Xeno Newsgroups: aus.cars,aus.computers,aus.legal Subject: Re: The real cost of net zero Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:13:30 +1100 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net tluc0l+L3AgbWKjnSkdo+AHkipuovond5EKG9nl+NkxiqnkaYr Cancel-Lock: sha1:G8v/V/7XUVkjpxwly7w7nejdCtw= sha256:VLWgdrxocomsg5YWY0KGwxawiymXpET3hThcdkMQSZ8= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-AU In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com aus.cars:372230 aus.computers:71626 aus.legal:104831 On 24/12/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote: > Rod Speed wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:54 +1100, Daniel70 >> wrote: >> >>> Trevor Wilson wrote on 23/12/24 1:40 pm: >>>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>>>>>>  Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris >>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political >>>>>>>>> Contributor >>>>>>>>>  https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb) >>>>>>>>>  or watch the documentary .. >>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron? >>>>>>>  in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who >>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're >>>>>>> following that example. >>>>>>  **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for >>>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not >>>>>> a scientific source of note. >>>>>> >>>>>>> deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon >>>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets. >>>>>>  **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as >>>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net >>>>>> emissions. IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere >>>>>> to bring it back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the >>>>>> human race will incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever >>>>>> pay for the costs. As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting >>>>>> sooner is cheaper than acting later. Should we fail to keep >>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels below approximately 500ppm, then nothing >>>>>> humans can do will prevent an utter catastrophe. The cost will >>>>>> exceed the GDP of the planet several times over. >>>>>  I'm aware of the problem >>>>> (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon- dioxide/), however we >>>>> have vast reserves of coal that could provide us with cheap >>>>> electricity, >>>>  **How about the CO2 emissions? Did you forget that? We MUST move away >>>>  from coal. >>>> >>>>> but thanks to green ideology we have high electricity prices. >>>>  **BULLSHIT. Most places in Australia have high electricity prices >>>> because we have stupid state governments that sold off profitable >>>> state assets. Like electricity generation. >>>>  Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity >>>> generating assets? >> >>> Umm! That was Jeff Kennett, wasn't it?? >> >> Yep >> >>> Doing his Business Mates a  favour. >> >> Nope, avoiding state bankruptsy > > kids today are poorly educated about our history > Not only kids! Some adults seem doomed to repeat history. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)