Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Xeno Newsgroups: aus.cars,aus.computers,aus.legal Subject: Re: The real cost of net zero Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 20:07:02 +1100 Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net uFiuf0BDXUpdtj4ZPHVlOQX0jcKBKRoh/18hu/6DoLjhJ8Bj82 Cancel-Lock: sha1:nvZL2it2XZAStuqYPaT7hWbClS4= sha256:TH3cca15FDoKKdy/KUZFuztjIW8HvvDitm/RUfFVoPg= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-AU In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com aus.cars:372192 aus.computers:71608 aus.legal:104813 On 24/12/2024 7:48 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote: > Xeno wrote: >> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote: >>> alvey wrote: >>>> Xeno wrote: >>>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>>> alvey wrote: >>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>>>>> alvey wrote: >>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris >>>>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political >>>>>>>>>>>> Contributor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary .. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who >>>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're >>>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about >>>>>>>>>> not reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting >>>>>>>>>> realistic targets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting >>>>>>>>> the messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you >>>>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big >>>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a >>>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially >>>>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power >>>>>>> works when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they >>>>>>> chanted. Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the >>>>>>> 25min mark, the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery >>>>>>> storage of NP was chorus that the cost of battery storage was >>>>>>> "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither >>>>>>> does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining about the >>>>>>> cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They >>>>>>> were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light >>>>>>> on (haha) facts and stats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference. >>>>> >>>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least >>>>> know and understand the content of said doco. >>>> >>>> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't >>> refer to any of it's content. >> >> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the >> contents were or even their focus or bias. > > I post to to provide material for discussion So do I but I read/watch all relevant points in the article first. In a discussion, forewarned is forearmed. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)