Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news-1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!news.informatik.hu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "hgww" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Ransomware Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 05:24:51 +1100 Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <402753368.477451511.025212.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <87si0qglpd.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <5ceecbdsu41datnnl2mq39c5kvfgfk31nr@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net Yu5s+zTMEAKdn/PtbBztIAr54Bq9ZPA/JlOZtoDticfqJvybo= Cancel-Lock: sha1:vkLGWaxjW2PHFvZ5jRJwuN5ZiyI= In-Reply-To: <5ceecbdsu41datnnl2mq39c5kvfgfk31nr@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:159833 "JimP" wrote in message news:5ceecbdsu41datnnl2mq39c5kvfgfk31nr@4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke" > wrote: > >>In article , mausg@mail.com says... >>> >>> On 2016-02-19, Dave Garland wrote: >>> > On 2/18/2016 5:14 PM, JimP wrote: >>> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:03:10 -0600, Lawrence Statton >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: >>> >>>> In this particular case, my opinion favors privacy. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> But what happens if national security is threatened? Suppose the >>> >>>> feds >>> >>>> had a phone which contained plans of an impending attack, and >>> >>>> accessing >>> >>>> those plans would save significant lives? >>> >>> >>> >>> The ends never justify the means. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ever. >>> >>> >>> >>> If they can't make their case some other way -- then the case does >>> >>> not >>> >>> need making. >>> >> >>> >> That makes no sense. If the phone could contain info on additional >>> >> terrorist activity then Apple should get off their collective ass and >>> >> fix the phone so the info can be read. >>> > >>> > Of course, ANY phone COULD contain info on terrorist activity. You >>> > surely realize that governments (including ours, from the FBI down to >>> > the county sheriff) will make ample use of that possibility. "Oh >>> > shucks, it turned out that Jim wasn't involved in terrorist activity, >>> > but while we were checking we found evidence of something else >>> > illegal." or "He claimed he was buying stuff from AliBaba, but we >>> > thought he was financing terrorists." >>> > >>> > And the governments of any country that Apple does business in, too. >>> > >>> > I'd give it a month before the software (or at least the functionality >>> > of it) that Apple writes is in the hands of all sorts of parties, >>> > including the Russian mob. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was >>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little >>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry, >>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate >>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic >>> wardens could access 'secure' data. >> >>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their >>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple. >> >>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break >>it. > > Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to > Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing. But we also have the evidence that there is plenty they haven't been able to hack. If they could, Snowden would have been able to show it. He didn't, so they can't.