Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kragen Javier Sitaker Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.electronics.design,comp.arch Subject: segments and architectural experimentation (was Re: segments, was Self-hosting and the 6502) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 08:13:05 -0300 Organization: Primarily biological and memetic Lines: 32 Message-ID: <87wlssca7y.fsf_-_@debian> References: <10qf16a$2t7c2$1@dont-email.me> <10qf1h8$2t6ig$3@dont-email.me> <10qjid9$4i72$1@paganini.bofh.team> <10qkmi4$13ne$1@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 11:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="2989917"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18szJGOfBmWqcJaRIHGwteP"; posting-host="5e8b773666f2baa1b3e9fe7abeba1530" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HebqqG7ATkD7RZz+ktdnuaXQf9U= sha1:gmDDShlz4sc6X1jRgQlq4Wjc06g= sha256:m7ZBplI3UiZ8sUtu10SAnXfMAFuzbDSuvqdaBi2ymY0= sha1:odGnhPQuCLV1KUgOIKqi4zrZSWI= sha256:RUOjXGHT6jpoPf4plV+dKz4x7jStBR8olybGIghvtQA= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:235568 sci.electronics.design:747573 comp.arch:117951 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: > When I started at Burroughs, they had just started a project > to increase amount of memory that could be accessed by > an application on the medium systems (B3500) line. The > B3500 had a flat one million digit address space and > could run in ‘control state’ or ‘normal state’. When the > base register had the value zero, the processor ran in > control state and privileged instructions were available, > otherwise the processor was is normal state and the > 1md address space started at the privileged base register and > ended at the privileged limit register. That’s an interesting approach! I had no idea how the Medium Systems line worked. You’d think you’d see a lot of experimentation around things like this nowadays that you can get your own open-source chip design fabbed through Tiny Tapeout for US$300, including in IHP’s 350GHz 130nm SiGe BiCMOS process. (Not 350MHz; fT is 350GHz.) Without Tiny Tapeout, IHP’s MPW price for that “SG13G2” process is €7300/mm² with a minimum of 0.8mm², which I find a rather daunting pricetag for something that probably won’t work the first time. As I understand it, that kind of thing is what sunk Chuck Moore’s chip design efforts at iTV in the 90s: they didn’t have enough capital to iterate fast enough with MPW runs through MOSIS to ever ship a working chip. New approaches to protection seem like an especially promising area as we smash headfirst into the “vulnpocalypse” and AI generates exploits for the swiss-cheese computer systems the whole internet is built on. Kragen