Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:45:32 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 50 Message-ID: <87fstl609f.fsf@localhost> References: <87r1d6114l.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="63d2d296254535ca45dbd08c5cebd120"; logging-data="3391"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19BoUAo8r1kbMyIUoxyHAkK5O0cx/+LKkY=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+RXxi6jkNQmXjWdriHgA4ho6bUg= sha1:nTZUp5ZizON2NosazhTeDVO62fE= Xref: csiph.com sci.crypt:50261 alt.folklore.computers:219175 Dan Espen writes: > I'd have to guess, I think it was 79. > I was at Bell Labs. > > So, 42 years. I'm old but not old enough. not usenet, started with vmshare (predating usenet), TYMSHARE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare started offering its (VM370) CMS-based online computer conferencing free to IBM user group SHARE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing) in Aug1976 as VMSHARE ... archives here http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare I had deal with TYMSHARE to get monthly tape dump of all VMSHARE (and later PCSHARE) files for putting up on IBM internal systems and network ... most difficult time was with IBM lawyers who were concerned that internal employees would be contaminated with customer information. I was then blamed for online computer communication on the internal network (larger than arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until sometime mid/late 80s) ... folklore is that when corporate executive committe was told about it, 5of6 wanted to fire me. from IBM Jargon http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf Tandem Memos - n. Something constructive but hard to control; a fresh of breath air (sic). That's another Tandem Memos. A phrase to worry middle management. It refers to the computer-based conference (widely distributed in 1981) in which many technical personnel expressed dissatisfaction with the tools available to them at that time, and also constructively criticized the way products were [are] developed. The memos are required reading for anyone with a serious interest in quality products. If you have not seen the memos, try reading the November 1981 Datamation summary. although there were only about 300 active, claim was there were possibly 25,000 reading, activity had really taken off after I distributed a trip report about a visit to Jim Gray at Tandem. Summer of 1981, printed about 300 pages ... prefixed with an executive summary and summary of the summary, packaged in Tandem 3-ring binders and sent one to each executive committee member. Later after leaving IBM in the early 90s, pagesat gave me a full usenet sat. feed in return for writing SGI+AIX (unix) & MS/DOS sat. modem drivers and a article for boardwatch magazine. I also had it up on 486 ms/dos machine with waffle. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970