Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Qbasic Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:00:32 -0700 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 102 Message-ID: <87egaaidi7.fsf@garlic.com> References: <74c6d653-7e69-4da0-9ae0-1d764b7d8ea0@googlegroups.com> <87wpoeful6.fsf@garlic.com> <89df12b5-8a7c-4a0e-ac0e-9de2d240cc9d@googlegroups.com> <87r3ekx13d.fsf@garlic.com> <730cbdcc-db4c-4933-b6a5-77a2f1913814@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="9a6c8ce24fcd2caeb84dd64e0fa6007c"; logging-data="14753"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Xu0gOPWaDyZZu4jYI8ty3StroUTTaL+w=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:FvNps5g/4pEVj1yiz50fD9FCY3U= sha1:74bbHo8nUlvKPIZIupm3tPxe7l0= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:162364 "J. Clarke" writes: > There isn't one because neither ever had the means to do so. The German > bomber force was pathetic compared to the RAF or the Army Air Corps and > the idea of strategic bombing doesn't appear to have ever occurred to > the Japanese, possibly because there were no enemy centers of industry > within range of any aircraft in their inventory or any that they could > reasonable expect their industry to produce. John Foster Dulles played major role in rebuilding german economy and military. When the 1943 US strategic bombing program needed German industrial and military locations, it got detailed target information and plans from wallstreet. It turns out that it had to use large number of bombs before it had any probability of hitting the target (from 5-6 miles up) even with Norden bombsights. Fire bombing cities was lot harder to miss. Also at the start of strategic bombing program, US was claiming that they didn't need any long range fighter escort ... all the money would go to building strategic bombers ... the british repeatedly told the US that the Germans had already learned that lesson in the "Battle for Britain" ... but the US insisted on learning the lesson the hard way. Move on to Japan, part of firebombing cities was that they didn't have the industrial & military locations targets (that they had gotten for Germany from wallstreet). strategic bombing also didn't work at all on Omaha Beach, THE EUROPEAN CAMPAIGN:ITS ORIGINS AND CONDUCT, free pdf, ebook formats: http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?PubID=1075 loc2582-85: The bomber preparation of Omaha Beach was a total failure, and German defenses on Omaha Beach were intact as American troops came ashore. At Utah Beach, the bombers were a little more effective because the IXth Bomber Command was using B-26 medium bombers. Wisely, in preparation for supporting the invasion, maintenance crews removed Norden bombsights from the bombers and installed the more effective low-level altitude sights.54 ... snip ... military industrial complex http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex past references: http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#10 America's Defense Meltdown http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#67 Downwind from Alamogordo http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#62 Early use of the word "computer" http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#18 Air Superiority: Advantage over enemy skies for 60 years http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#67 Royal Pardon For Turing http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#54 Royal Pardon For Turing http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#73 Is end of mainframe near ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#90 Friden Flexowriter equipment series http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#91 Friden Flexowriter equipment series http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#92 Off topic screeds (was Re: Friden Flexowriter equipment series) http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#12 1950: Northrop's Digital Differential Analyzer http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#40 LEO http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#13 LEO http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#52 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#53 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#68 Why do we have wars? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#69 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#77 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#79 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#82 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#83 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#0 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#13 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#20 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#28 Kill Chain: The Rise of High Tech Assassins http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#61 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#62 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#63 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#64 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#70 God No, the U.S. Air Force Doesn't Need Another Curtis LeMay http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#76 Your earliest dream? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#89 Your earliest dream? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#13 Fully Restored WWII Fighter Plane Up for Auction http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#37 End of vacuum tubes in computers? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#42 No, the F-35 Can't Fight at Long Range, Either http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#52 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#54 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#77 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#81 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#87 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#55 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#63 [Poll] Computing favorities http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#33 The wars in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were lost before they began, not on the battlefields http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#119 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#120 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#3 I Feel Old http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#31 I Feel Old http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#57 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#60 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-) http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#10 What Will the Next A-10 Warthog Look Like? http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#49 Corporate malfeasance http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#64 Isolationism and War Profiteering http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#73 Qbasic http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#75 Qbasic -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970