Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:50:25 -0800 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 85 Message-ID: <874mereooe.fsf@garlic.com> References: <1378145699.471617182.776890.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <47f7fb8a-cf50-4dc6-a80a-770de14c9d6a@googlegroups.com> <20160105000414@news.eternal-september.org> <20160105112321.0126e7ef08ce50b4359dba41@eircom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="9a6c8ce24fcd2caeb84dd64e0fa6007c"; logging-data="23499"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18SJ4sgQN9mEvaffvmqMMPIFl4A0aBXHMY=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LkX71wobkGgdTZPj7jD/NdezMRk= sha1:W2l5fyarlD0Rz+RCScxTp24M2nM= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:156003 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > Havings roads (and airways) pay _all_ of their direct and indirect > costs would make transportation far more efficient by more honestly > allocating costs and resources. In essence, living in suburbia > or especially exurbia would cost a lot more, and force people > to move into higher density areas where transport can be more > efficient. > > However, if, say, gasoline were to cost $5/gallon, there would be > massive riots in the U.S. (like there were in the 1970s). Americans > think living in wide open spaces is an absolute natural right. > They aren't gonna give up their split levels without a fight. past posts that highway design is based on expected ton-miles lifetime expectancy (80kN equivalent single axle loads - ESAL) ... road wear&tear, maintenance and replace is all based on heavy truck 18wheeler use (light trucks and autos play no factor). In effect the majority of consumer and light vehicle taxes are to subsidize heavy trucking. If heavy trucking was taxed directly proportional to their associated costs, their taxes would enormously skyrocket ... and taxes for other vehicles would be slashed (not as much as no tax for off-road vehicles ... but getting close). Of course, if heavy trucking paid their full, fair share, they might want to start demanding highway priorities. that is separate from cheap gas enabling all sort of life-style choices. past ESAL road design posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#41 Transportation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#21 Spam Bomb http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#57 TGV in the USA? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#20 Parallel programming again (Re: Intel announces "CT" aka http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#7 OT Global warming http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#44 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#2 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#5 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#7 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#10 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#12 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#15 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#19 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#24 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#26 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#32 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#35 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#46 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#48 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#49 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#50 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#51 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#52 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#53 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#54 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#1 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#2 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#3 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#5 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#11 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#23 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#97 Loads Weighing Heavily on Roads http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#21 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#55 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#56 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#48 fraying infrastructure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#68 Historian predicts the end of 'science superpowers' http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#25 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#36 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#37 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#41 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#55 Favourite computer history books? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#40 taking down the machine - z9 series http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#61 Idiotic cars driving themselves http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#52 TCM's Moguls documentary series http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#80 A Close Look at the Perry Tax Plan http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#83 A Close Look at the Perry Tax Plan http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#48 What Makes a bridge Bizarre? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#28 "Highway Patrol" back on TV http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#29 "Highway Patrol" back on TV http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#168 LEO http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#47 Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970