Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Who Knew ? Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2021 17:47:19 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 85 Message-ID: <874k8r462g.fsf@localhost> References: <87k0hu8hsx.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> <87bl369n3h.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <87zgqp6kox.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> <87mtmn7ohj.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> <20211103072641.1f36fd9ef1e2138951d0396c@eircom.net> <8cd50e88-aa50-4323-b22f-468831e5b616n@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="a5fd03c5b88f9fa69c2440733b73a2bc"; logging-data="20799"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX189FnJhiNvHAGjtyHGoDP5GWaWRGElMKOY=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UHHXPVFVZLxFNOWfOWtqQJGsxtY= sha1:JE6Dxs5klLbMofN9fyPVItMkG9I= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:219595 Maus writes: > What did he think would happen after he banned scrap iron exports to > Japan?.. The US navy should have been placed at high allert, but was > not. Story that (asst. SECTREAS) Harry Dexter White was also operating on behalf of Stalin ... Stalin had sent White draft of ten demands to include in US ultimatum hoping to provoke Japan into opening a war with US ... Stalin was already dealing with 3/4ths of German military in the west and was worried that Japan would open a second front in the east. Hull Note https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note Harry Dexter White & Venona intercepts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White#Venona_project More Venona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/ Benn Stein in "The Battle of Bretton Woods" spends pages 55-58 discussing "Operation Snow". https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/ pg56/loc1065-66: The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name: "Operation Snow," snow referring to White. ... snip ... also: Another example of White acting as an agent of influence for the Soviet Union was his obstruction of an authorized $200 million loan to Nationalist China in 1943, which he had been officially instructed to execute. ... contributing to Nationalist loosing China. The Japanese Surrender in 1945 is Still Poorly Understood https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/181372 General Dwight Eisenhower, in his memoirs, recalled a visit from Secretary of War Henry Stimson in late July 1945: "I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.'" Eisenhower reiterated the point years later in a Newsweek interview in 1963, saying that "the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." ... snip ... Mythmaking and the Atomic Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/08/06/mythmaking-and-the-atomic-destruction-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/ Reality: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed to prevent the Soviets from making a contribution to the victory against Japan, which would have forced Washington to allow Moscow to participate in the postwar occupation and reconstruction of the country. It was also the intention to intimidate the Soviet leadership and thus to wrest concessions from it with respect to the postwar arrangements in Germany and Eastern Europe. Finally, it was not the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the Soviet entry into the war against Japan, which caused Tokyo to surrender. ... snip ... Apparently Roosevelt didn't believe that US could defeat Japan without Soviets and had agreement with Stalin where Soviet would come in against Japan after the Germans had been defeated. Other reference "The Cover-Up at Omaha Beach" https://www.amazon.com/Cover-Up-Omaha-Beach-Rangers-Battery-ebook/dp/B00J75ISNU/ Soviets sent 1.5M troops into Manchuria and quickly defeated million Japanese troops and were within three days of invading Japanese homeland when the bombs were dropped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria By comparison US had 600k toops and battleships for Okinawa against 76k Japanese (and US was months away from mounting a homeland invasion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa The War Was Won Before Hiroshima--And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew It. Seventy years after the bombing, will Americans face the brutal truth? https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/ -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970