Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2022 13:35:43 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 70 Message-ID: <871qzh47g0.fsf@localhost> References: <1b7d9e792t.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net> <20220301090949.5c174bb4d7f6986bf98b40ac@eircom.net> <87tuceyyjz.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="853f4d0b426b7835c0e4f7d6f5d3ed91"; logging-data="19616"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/oMDqo4pNc3Ki6Vns2VzuLuMa3XhMoHQg=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4AkNSdoMx+/oz7EKApzQkknCFFg= sha1:s8Tx6P7mrAGU3CHcajUL9PfQArM= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:220238 Mike Spencer writes: > I remember having to use the % hack to get email from Bitnet to an IP > address. How long has it been since you've had to do anthing like > that? co-worker at cambridge science center was responsible for what becomes the ibm internal network (larger than arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until sometime mid/late 80s) ... was also used for the corporate sponsored BITNET: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET 77, we transfer out to IBM San Jose Research and in fall of 1982 get a csnet gateway (NSF funds CSNET, later merges with BITNET) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSNET CSNET was a forerunner of the National Science Foundation Network (NSFNet) which eventually became a backbone of the Internet. CSNET operated autonomously until 1989, when it merged with Bitnet to form the Corporation for Research and Educational Networking (CREN). By 1991, the success of the NSFNET and NSF-sponsored regional networks had rendered the CSNET services redundant, and the CSNET network was shut down in October 1991.[9] ... snip ... 1998 afc post with SJR CSNET gateway announce http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#email821022 2000 afc posts with CSNET email about ARPANET moving off NCP to TCP/IP http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#email821230 and CSNET email about transition had more than few problems http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#email830212 Edson was responsible for the internal network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edson_Hendricks SJMerc article about Edson (he recently passed aug2020) and "IBM'S MISSED OPPORTUNITY WITH THE INTERNET" (gone behind paywall but lives free at wayback machine) SJMerc article http://web.archive.org/web/20000124004147/http://www1.sjmercury.com/svtech/columns/gillmor/docs/dg092499.htm Also from wayback machine, some references off Ed's website http://web.archive.org/web/20000115185349/http://www.edh.net/bungle.htm Starting early 80s, I had HSDT project (T1 and faster computer links) and working with the NSF director, was suppose to get $20M to interconnect the NSF supercomputer centers ... then congress cuts the budget, some other things happen, and finally an RFP is released (based in part on what we already had running). Copy of Preliminary announce (Mar1986) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#12 The OASC has initiated three programs: The Supercomputer Centers Program to provide Supercomputer cycles; the New Technologies Program to foster new supercomputer software and hardware developments; and the Networking Program to build a National Supercomputer Access Network - NSFnet. ... internal IBM politics prevent us from bidding on the RFP. the NSF director tries to help by writing the company a letter (with support from other agencies), but that just makes the internal politics worse (as did claims that what we already had running was at least 5yrs ahead of the winning bid). The winning bid doesn't even install T1 links called for ... they are 440kbit/sec links ... but apparently to make it look like its meeting the requirements, they install telco multiplexors with T1 trunks (running multiple links/trunk). We periodically ridicule them that why don't they call it a T5 network (because some of those T1 trunks would in turn be multiplexed over T3 or even T5 trunks). as regional networks connect in, it becomes the NSFNET backbone, precursor to modern internet https://www.technologyreview.com/s/401444/grid-computing/ -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970