Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel70 Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.thunderbird,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 23:42:51 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <8vqnq3uj268u$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 15:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2eef66bbdc3d2bc99e41f7ef569358e8"; logging-data="740590"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18De5WsQaAUJIArpiuWF80x" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20 Cancel-Lock: sha1:M8e15ukx3im5yen6S0Vm4UZq7T0= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 250422-2, 4/22/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.software.thunderbird:16411 alt.comp.os.windows-10:183887 alt.comp.os.windows-11:18596 On 22/04/2025 10:43 pm, VanguardLH wrote: > Paul wrote: > >> You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now. >> >> The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at >> Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ >> remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as >> part of the solution as well. >> >> If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why >> they're working on their own self-sustaining business >> opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure >> is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome). >> They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and >> change their corporate structure and charter. >> >> It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities >> as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model >> would never work. > > Yep, I've noted before that Google is getting nailed for bribing web > browser authors, and other anti-trust marketing practices with their > grip on online advertising. Mozilla could lose 97% of their revenue > that comes from Google. That's why all those services from Mozilla are > unlikely to [remain to] be free. They won't be able to afford any > further altruism. The tit goes dry, and entitled users whine louder. > > If Google has to decouple from Chromium, can the rest of the Chromium > dev team keep producing a competitive, up to date, and secure web > browser into the future? Chromium is developed and maintained by > Google. With Google gone, who is left to work on Chromium are a group > of devs unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of users. Chromium > doesn't have automatic updates, API keys for Google services (e.g., > browser sync), Widevine DRM, licensed codecs for H.264 and AAC, crash > reporting, etc. Chrome is oriented to a consumer market. Chromium is > oriented to a much smaller more expert/nerd community. Ask your friends > to see how many use Chromium. Chromium never shows up in browser market > share statistics. > > If Google has to walk away from Chromium, who is left in its dev team? > Chromium has been a Google project from its inception. Google does the > vast bulk of development on Chromium. The Chromium projects (Chromium > and ChromeOS) are not independent of Google. Some of the other > contributors have been Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, and variant authors, > like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave. Of those, and after Google, Microsoft > is the next biggest powerhouse, so, gee, might we end up with Microsoft > Chrome? Well, there's already Edge-C (Edge that became a Chromium > variant after Microsoft dropped EdgeHTML). > > Without Google to pay Mozilla, Mozilla won't have the financial strength > anymore to continue the current level of development. Firefox might get > more market share, but Mozilla becomes much weaker. If Google decouples > from Chrome, could be Chromium loses their major developer along with > all its services, so Chromium also becomes much weaker. No sponsors, no > money. No money, no development. Programmers need to eat, too. > Hmm!! Is anyone else sensing "Deja Vu"?? The above reminds me of what apparently happened when, was it, Netscape sliced off Mozilla to do its own development .... which led to Firefox/Thunderbird and SeaMonkey Suite?? -- Daniel70