Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Re: Unable to remove "Windows Fax and Scan" from Windows 10 Pro Date: 22 Jan 2025 16:38:15 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <8ue4erksff62.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <19umvveenrnlx$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <11ggz33c1i6cx$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> X-Trace: individual.net QW4Uh5k2lSsVNGUWtWe3kQke+slS6S1bVa/HUT0ggIYC1y4Wzn X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:sojZWd/Ntm6TGmz8+ZZF/16PH48= sha256:Uz7k9VT/EDXCe2nLWpsjHxANazoi/utuXN7lklvBRfo= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-10.0-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.os.windows-10:181656 VanguardLH wrote: > Char Jackson wrote: > > > VanguardLH wrote: > > > >> That's why I mention that I have digital phone service with my ISP. > >> That is *not* VOIP: no Internet involved, no packetization. > >> However, I have before been able to fax over VOIP. > > > > When I hear 'digital phone service' I think of SIP and RTP, as example > > protocols, but both of those are usually UDP and involve packetization > > and the Internet. I must be wrong. Can you steer me in the right > > direction? > > Correction: Comcast does use IP, but only over their privately managed > network which connects to a POS (Point of Service - where VOIP calls > interface to a telco network). Their voice traffic does not travel the > public Internet. 2 channels in the cable modem are dedicated to digital > voice, and those go to Comcast only, not elsewhere on the Internet. > This differs from VOIP providers with their best-effort services > delivering voice traffic across the Internet. I consider VOIP to be a > comm service over the Internet and subject to the irregular traffic > delivery thereof. Digital voice that uses a private network to connect > to a telecomm network is not what users generally refer to as > traditional VOIP. AFAIK, your definitions/interpretations are incorrect. VoIP is not only over the (public) Internet. As the name (Voice over Internet Protocol) indicates, VoIP uses the Internet Protocol (IP). IP is part of the Internet protocol suite and is not limited to the public Internet, but can and is used on any Internet, also (semi) private ones. So your use of Comcast *is* VoIP. 'Voice over IP' 'Internet Protocol' And, as Carlos indicates, your use of "digital phone service"/"digital voice" is ambiguous, because it's not limited to your narrow definition. [Networking 'lectures' deleted.] Are you aware to whom you are responding? [...]