Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.guns,alt.checkmate Subject: Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 20:24:08 -0700 Lines: 119 Message-ID: References: <2ef0d415-ec91-4536-9483-54677a43a873@googlegroups.com> <1274428934567726606.289811ted-sam.street@news.alt.net> <118377577567738479.151779ted-sam.street@news.alt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net hdd5Aa7W4ifu6F7zwe19xwfex6HFrz2RuJ21voF95juouKUrOJ Cancel-Lock: sha1:IR5C9stO4oJT50LDtYX1LNZKPRk= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2571330 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:2109680 talk.politics.guns:1151175 alt.checkmate:242730 On 12/28/18 7:52 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty wrote: > On 12/28/18 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 12/28/18 6:21 PM, Ted wrote: >>> Rudy Canoza wrote: >>>> On 12/28/2018 3:35 PM, Snit wrote: >>>>> On 12/28/18 4:27 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The >>>>> Truth - >>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote: >>>>>> On 12/28/18 5:50 PM, Snit wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/28/18 3:18 PM, Ted wrote: >>>>>>>> Malte Runz wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 2:55:43 AM UTC, Cloud Hobbit wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (snip) >>>>>>>>>> Nobody will ever be able to stop Americans who want guns from >>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>> able to get them. ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good Americans with guns would be able to. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jokes aside ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ... 3d printing is making sure of that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, is it futile to try to reduce the gun violence in the US? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Absolutely not. Let's try to reduce violence. (But why just 'gun >>>>>>>> violence' >>>>>>>> unless there's an ulterior motive involved?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The focus on guns in this group is by design. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the 2nd Amendment was very clearly written to connect our gun >>>>>>>> rights >>>>>>>> with "a well-regulated militia", meaning, in part, that measures >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> indeed be taken to prevent improper use of arms. Indeed, the NRA >>>>>>>> of 80 >>>>>>>> years ago was heavily involved with gun safety regulations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Amendment II >>>>>> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free >>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be >>>>>> infringed. >>>>>> Yup... right there, in the same sentence, the connection with the well >>>>>>> regulated militia. >>>> >>>> Nope.  That's the reason for the amendment, Snot.  The right to keep and >>>> bear arms in no way depends on the militia. >>> >>> >>> Very VERY true. The well-regulated militia is hardly a prerequisite (and >>> all English speakers recognize that -- except, of course, filthy rat >>> liars >>> like Snitty). >>> >> >> By all means quote the sentence about the rights to guns that does not >> speak of the need for a well regulated militia. > > You admit that military weapons are legal because the RIGHT of the > people to keep and bear arms is tied to military needs of the militia > and the right to keep and bear military arms shall not be infringed by > the Government because that would be disarming those who are our last > defense, namely us... the people. What? That sentence is very convoluted. > Because we populate the militia and > we do that by having the *RIGHT* of the *people* to keep and bear > military type weapons so that the government can't turn the military > against WE THE PEOPLE without some resistance... and no outside force > can just walk in without running into street fighting like we saw in > Iraq. So I should be able to have military type weapons. Nukes, for example. Is that what you mean? > If it costs the invaders or the people orchestrating the Coup > D`etat enough blood and treasure they'll leave us alone. Our founders > were pretty smart, our modern Liberals are pretty stupid. Actually liberals are repeatedly found to have higher IQs than conservatives. Your claim is contrary to the evidence. > We were never meant to have a standing army because we have an armed > population so you must really like TRUMP since he's sending the military > home to enjoy the peace in Syria and Iraq. He is not sending the military home from Iraq. And I am not obligated to like a completely incompetent president such as Trump. > If you Democrats weren't > warmongers then the guns needed to fight off a coup D`etat by the likes > of Obama and a corrupt FBI/DOJ and DOD/CIA military industrial > complex.... wouldn't be so popular. You Democrats Who are you even writing this to? I am not a Democrat. > create the very need > that the Founding Fathers described for an armed population to be ready > to become the militia "in a heartbeat" if they're needed. > > > > -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.