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On Thu, 04 May 2017 19:38:11 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 5/4/17, 11:13 AM, in article op.yzp7kjyajs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>>>>> I have no issue with that though I do think it you want to be a "techie" it
>>>>> makes sense to be familiar with other systems. Where I find people to be
>>>>> absurd, though, is when they get mad at someone for not being a "real" user
>>>>> of whatever OS because they also use other OSs. I have been told by Linux
>>>>> users I am not a "real" Linux user because of this. There are a lot of
>>>>> cultish folks in the Linux community. In the Mac community there may be
>>>>> some
>>>>> level of snobbishness (hey, we know better than you lowly Windows users)
>>>>> but
>>>>> I have never seen anything like that in Mac groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: I say use what you like.
>>>>
>>>> I've been a techie for 11 years and only know windows in detail, with a
>>>> touch of mac picked up along the way.  I did well at converting all those
>>>> weirdos to windows though :-)
>>>
>>> I do not work to "convert" anyone, but when I used to teach Windows and Mac
>>> classes at Intuit, it was amazing how often Windows users would be amazed at
>>> how Macs works in such an intuitive way... I would often hear questions of
>>> why doesn't Windows make it this easy? Mac folks would sometimes find some
>>> software on Windows they loved or find a specific setting Macs did not have,
>>> but overall *mostly* they were unimpressed.
>>>
>>> This was back before the OS X days, though. Things MAY have changed...
>>> though I doubt it.
>>
>> Before and after OS X, I found exactly the opposite.  Windows users including
>> myself just can't understand how to use Macs.  They look like something
>> designed for kids to play with.  They're like tablets, no settings available
>> anywhere, everything fluffed over to make it "simple" so it's impossible to
>> actually do anything.
>
> OK, they are "simple" -- I get that... but what task do you find hard to do?

Anything involving changing any settings.  On a Mac or a tablet.

>> Mac users however loved how easy Windows was to use, they could learn it by
>> themselves, then realised the PCs were so much cheaper and had so much more
>> software available, and they were compatible with the rest of the world.
>
> The classes I spoke of were before you got started (11 years ago you say)

Actually 20 years ago, I haven't worked in IT all that time.

> so
> it is possible that things are different now... but I find it hard to
> believe.
>
> Maybe you can show some examples of where you think Windows makes things
> easier. Here are just a couple where I think macOS makes things easier...
> the first two are based on comments from other's comments in COLA:
>
> 1) Someone spoke of liking to be able to look words up in different
> dictionaries (I think dictionary.com, Google "define", and the Urban
> dictionary). I already had added some of these to my system -- tools where
> from most (though not quite all) programs I can right-click on a word or
> selected phrase and do a quick search. I added the ones he mentioned which I
> did not have and showed them all working. While I show this in only one
> program keep in mind they work with most:
>
>     <https://youtu.be/N1wbphwWqu4>

That's what google is for.

> 2) Filling out, naming, and annotating a PDF Form: someone spoke of filling
> out a PDF they found online. This is a common task, of course. And it is
> common people who receive these forms will read them with Adobe products
> (good or bad that is how it is) so it is important that the tools use work
> with them. I showed filling in the form including adding more than just
> content in the pre-set fields. Could have also showed arrows and circles and
> more, even using the above tools, but those did not really apply. Still,
> what if you wanted to look up info on "Head of Household" -- the tools I
> show would come in handy there, too:
>
>     <https://youtu.be/mqiaPeY1YaI>

PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based shit.

> 3) Was it you who talked of proxy icons? Not sure?

I replied to someone (you?) mentioning them, and I said they were pointless.

> But made a quick video to
> show how they and some related features can be used. Keep in mind the eagle
> picture is buried deep so dragging its file-browser icon would be less
> practical (though, not shown in the video, the path I do show is "live" -- I
> could have clicked on any folder in the path to open it):
>
>     <https://youtu.be/OFaXv9h2Ato>
>
> These are all very basic and common tasks... and as I noted the first two
> are based on other's comments in COLA where the last one is from someone
> (might have even been you) referencing a comment of mine about proxy icons.

Not sure that would ever allow me to do anything I can't already do.  I use folders with a dual-pane window like this (the example here is actually form Windows XP!): http://www.daleisphere.com/wp-content/uploads/windows-xp-windows-explorer-folders-view.jpg

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Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 12:32 +0100
  Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 10:43 -0700
    Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 19:13 +0100
      Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:38 -0700
        Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 20:07 +0100
          Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:16 -0700
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:31 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:49 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:15 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 18:02 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 15:31 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 18:34 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 16:15 -0700
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 20:42 +0100
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:49 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:38 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 18:02 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 15:29 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 18:31 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 16:17 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 19:56 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 20:00 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 15:07 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:54 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 15:08 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:52 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 20:32 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:05 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 15:30 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 17:51 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 18:02 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 16:23 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 20:27 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:07 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 16:22 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 16:36 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 17:35 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 15:37 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 15:28 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:11 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 16:24 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:00 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 16:17 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 20:53 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:05 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:58 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 15:26 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:54 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 17:17 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 15:37 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-05 18:05 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 16:10 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:11 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-05 21:51 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:11 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 22:49 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 22:41 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:11 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 16:28 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 16:35 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 15:17 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 22:43 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 21:12 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:48 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:07 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:51 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:55 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:57 -0700
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:24 -0700
          Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:35 -0700
      Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 14:48 -0400
        Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:10 -0700
          Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:33 -0700
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:49 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:16 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 17:47 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 16:18 -0700

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