Re: [CM] Headphones -> Hearing aids

From	Trevor <trevor@home.net>
Newsgroups	comp.misc, rec.audio.tech
Subject	Re: [CM] Headphones -> Hearing aids
Date	2017-04-23 12:09 +1000
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On 22/04/2017 2:54 AM, Johnny B Good wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:00:07 +1200, geoff wrote:
>
>> On 20/04/2017 9:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Actually they are just an amplifier, active equaliser and compressor
>>> with various stored custom settings like the ones you mention.
>>> What really pisses me off is that it is so simple now to have Bluetooth
>>> control from your mobile phone over all parameters of a hearing aid.
>>> Sadly there are no aids available that do that simply because the
>>> Audiologists want to keep their huge profits from fitting and adjusting
>>> the aids. And some of the ones that do have control over volume and
>>> mode settings via Bluetooth only work with iPhones because they are too
>>> slack to write the apps for Android.
>>>
>>>
>> Or maybe they don't want every know-all Tom Dick and Harry further
>> damaging their hearing by inept use and settings ?
>>
>
>  +1
>
>  It might interest you to know that the classic 20KHz "Upper Frequency
> Limit of Human Hearing" is derived from the point on the Fletcher Munsen
> response curves where this upper frequency corresponds to both the
> highest detectable single tone frequency and the the threshold of pain
> (aka dangerously high SPL).
>
>  As we age beyond our early twenties, this upper limit where we can sense
> a single tone frequency at the maximum safe SPL threshold drops in
> frequency.

And you really think this is not common knowledge? You could have added 
it is worse for males than females if you just want to state the  obvious.

> Continuous exposure to high SPLs accelerates this reduction in
> the maximum frequency limit of hearing in each individual's case. It's
> quite important to tailor a hearing aid's frequency response and gain so
> as to avoid needlessly doing more harm than good.

What a load of crap, most hearing aids don't go past 8kHz. The damage is 
already done by loud rock bands and perhaps using MP3 players at 
excessive levels. Still I agree for people like yourself who are 
apparently unable to do the job properly, better leave it to a 
professional. I guess you have an audiologist adjust you HiFi volume and 
TV volume control as well! :-)

FWIW, there IS one company who provides self programmable aids and the 
software to do it, Blamey-Saunders. I bet their customers are told what 
not to do as I would expect. And I bet they like having control 
themselves. People who don't have far more alternative choices though. :-(

Trevor.

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                Re: [CM] Hearing aids --> back to Headphones Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2017-04-22 20:01 -0400
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                Re: [CM] Headphones -> Hearing aids Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2017-04-22 23:32 -0400
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                Re: [CM] Headphones -> Hearing aids Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-04-23 12:35 +1000
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                Re: [CM] Headphones -> Hearing aids Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-04-23 12:09 +1000
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