Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!

From	Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Subject	Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!
Date	2014-07-21 15:16 -0400
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On 7/21/2014 10:27 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2014-07-21, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You call it a bug because you can't think of any way it could be
>> beneficial. That's the wrong way of looking at it. Something isn't a
>> bug because you find it annoying; it's a bug because it fails to
>> implement the programmer's intentions and/or the docs/specification.
>
> I was always taught that it's a "bug" is when a program doesn't do
> what a reasonable user expects -- that it's got nothing to do with the
> programmer's intent.

For the Python issue tracker at bugs.python.org, one definition of a 
behavior ('bug') issue, one that might lead to a patch in maintenance 
releases of current versions, is a discrepancy between doc claim and 
code behavior. Discrepancies can be fixed by changing either doc or code 
to match the other, depending on which is considered to be wrong. Of 
course, sometime the doc is absent, partial, ambiguous, or confusing.

People (such as Rick) proposing enhancements often consider matching 
code and doc to be buggy by design. But this is different type of issue.

For Idle, the doc briefly specifies behavior at a high, user level. File 
/ open should 'open an existing file'. A text box for entry of a path 
would minimally suffice. The current open file dialog adds the option of 
filling in the box by clicking around the directory tree.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:14 -0700
  Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-20 22:36 +0100
  Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Irmen de Jong <irmen.NOSPAM@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-20 23:40 +0200
    Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 15:44 -0700
      Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:02 +1000
        Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 19:06 -0700
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-07-20 21:30 -0500
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 12:38 +1000
            Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 14:27 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Shiyao Ma <i@introo.me> - 2014-07-21 22:40 +0800
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:51 +0000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:57 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 00:48 +1000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 00:51 +1000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:55 +0000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 03:56 +1000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@invalid.com> - 2014-07-21 14:55 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 16:19 +0100
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:56 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 01:27 +1000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-07-21 17:57 +0200
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-21 17:03 +0000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-07-21 19:40 +0200
                Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-18 20:49 +0200
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-19 10:17 +1000
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 10:32 +1000
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 11:51 +0200
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-08-18 14:06 -0500
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 10:44 +0200
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-08-19 07:45 -0500
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 15:10 +0200
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 02:05 +1000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 15:16 -0400
            RE: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! "Coll-Barth, Michael" <Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWireless.com> - 2014-07-21 10:51 -0400
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 03:45 +0100
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:05 -0400
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 13:09 +1000
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 09:51 +0200
    Re: Tabbed IDLE (was PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-07-20 19:56 -0500
    Re: Tabbed IDLE (was PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:04 +1000
    Re: Tabbed IDLE (was PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!) Tim Chase <tim@thechases.com> - 2014-07-20 19:55 -0500
  Idle open file dialogs (was ...) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 22:59 -0400

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