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RE: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+michael.coll-
> barth=verizonwireless.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Edwards
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:27 AM
> To: python-list@python.org
> Subject: Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"!
> 
> On 2014-07-21, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > You call it a bug because you can't think of any way it could be
> > beneficial. That's the wrong way of looking at it. Something isn't a
> > bug because you find it annoying; it's a bug because it fails to
> > implement the programmer's intentions and/or the docs/specification.
> 
> I was always taught that it's a "bug" is when a program doesn't do
> what a reasonable user expects -- that it's got nothing to do with the
> programmer's intent.
> 
> --

I have to agree with Chris.  A bug is what you call something that happens contrary to design or intent.  Only.  I build a program, regardless of the platform, with my intent, not yours.  When it blows up or doesn't do what I want, then it's a bug and it's a bug even if there are no users for my program.

Something that happens contrary to user expectations is an annoyance to that user.  You might want to get your money back from those that taught you otherwise.

BTW, there ain't no such thing as a 'reasonable' user.  That's what they call an oxymoron. 

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PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:14 -0700
  Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-20 22:36 +0100
  Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Irmen de Jong <irmen.NOSPAM@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-20 23:40 +0200
    Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 15:44 -0700
      Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:02 +1000
        Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 19:06 -0700
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-07-20 21:30 -0500
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 12:38 +1000
            Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 14:27 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Shiyao Ma <i@introo.me> - 2014-07-21 22:40 +0800
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:51 +0000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:57 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 00:48 +1000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 00:51 +1000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:55 +0000
                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 03:56 +1000
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                Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-21 16:56 +0000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 01:27 +1000
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                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-19 10:17 +1000
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 10:32 +1000
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 11:51 +0200
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                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 10:44 +0200
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-08-19 07:45 -0500
                Re: Adapt bash readline operate-and-get-next Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2014-08-19 15:10 +0200
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 02:05 +1000
              Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 15:16 -0400
            RE: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! "Coll-Barth, Michael" <Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWireless.com> - 2014-07-21 10:51 -0400
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 03:45 +0100
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:05 -0400
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 13:09 +1000
          Re: PyWart(2.7.8) IDLE is more buggy than "Joe's apartment"! Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 09:51 +0200
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