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Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light

From	whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
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Subject	Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light
Date	2023-05-20 22:54 -0500
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On 5/20/2023 10:14 PM, Jane wrote:

<...>

> I was merely pointing out that the definition of light's supposed
> 'frequency' is nothing but its wave departure rate and must therefore be
> its wave arrival rate at an observer. The frequency c/λ is certainly not
> carried by the light in transit. How could its 'wave departure rate' be
> carried at all? It is just something that happens at the source.

<...>

So wherever you stop a light wave it displays a frequency, the same
frequency as it had at its point of origin. If I didn't stop it that
light wave would proceed until it eventually hit something else.

In that case, what is gained by denying that light always has
an intrinsic frequency? Why do I care one way or the other? Since
you have no way of testing this, where is your evidence? Similarly
I don't have evidence that it has an intrinsic frequency. But wait,
this raises another issue.

Doesn't oscillation require energy to get started? That's a place
where the "what makes the sine wave" becomes important although
you recently tried to deny the importance of that possibility/fact.
Yet here it is to bite you on your ass.

So light cannot have oscillation at the point of origin, lose it
somehow enroute, and regain it at whatever destination it achieves
because you cannot account for loss and regaining of energy at some
destination unless you can find a way to transmit that energy as
some separate bundle linked to the sine wave. If I proposed that
(and I do not) everyone would label me a crank. So tell us why,
in this instance, you shouldn't be labeled a crank albeit for a
closely related though slightly different reason.

A compelling explanation please.

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Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-20 21:46 +0000
  Re: Clarification of Bartholomew Ramaker <aaeo@koawrwel.ra> - 2023-05-20 22:26 +0000
    Re: Clarification of whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-20 18:28 -0500
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-05-21 00:28 +0200
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Trevor Lange <trevorlange97@gmail.com> - 2023-05-20 15:45 -0700
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-21 03:14 +0000
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-20 22:54 -0500
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-05-20 21:05 -0700
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Trevor Lange <trevorlange97@gmail.com> - 2023-05-20 21:40 -0700
        Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-22 02:11 +0000
          Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Trevor Lange <trevorlange97@gmail.com> - 2023-05-21 20:22 -0700
            Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 00:54 +0000
              Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-05-23 19:50 -0400
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-24 00:38 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-05-24 01:54 -0400
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Celedonio Seelen <ecoe@nccscnlc.oe> - 2023-05-24 22:07 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-24 20:12 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-25 23:06 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Duston Haanraats <atsu@assahdta.ad> - 2023-05-25 23:15 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-25 19:41 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-05-25 19:22 -0400
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-25 19:40 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-26 02:51 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-26 00:07 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-26 14:03 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-27 00:11 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-26 19:24 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-27 23:17 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-27 20:26 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-27 19:27 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-28 10:56 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-28 10:56 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-28 11:24 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-29 00:25 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-28 20:51 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-28 21:14 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-28 10:48 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-28 10:51 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-29 00:32 +0000
                Uncle Jane Fails Again (was Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-28 20:45 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-27 18:48 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-28 09:00 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-29 00:39 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-28 20:47 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-26 21:18 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-05-26 21:53 -0700
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-20 18:27 -0500
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-21 03:22 +0000
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-20 23:14 -0500
        Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 00:45 +0000
          Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-22 20:14 -0500
            Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 05:39 +0000
              Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-23 10:09 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-24 00:40 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-23 21:16 -0500
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-20 17:09 -0700
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-05-21 02:16 +0200
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-21 02:58 +0000
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-21 03:24 +0000
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-20 21:20 -0700
        Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 00:56 +0000
          Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-22 20:29 -0500
            Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 05:47 +0000
          Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-22 21:32 -0700
            Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-05-22 21:52 -0700
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-05-21 12:51 +0300
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-05-21 15:44 -0500
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-05-22 10:17 +0300
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 01:21 +0000
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-05-21 15:37 -0500
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 01:47 +0000
      Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-05-24 12:47 -0500
        Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-25 00:54 +0000
          Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-05-25 13:52 -0500
            Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-05-25 12:02 -0700
            Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-25 23:17 +0000
              Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-05 15:12 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Androcles' Ghost <AsG@FO.com> - 2023-06-07 02:21 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-07 12:31 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-07 12:04 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Androcles' Ghost <AsG@FO.com> - 2023-06-08 05:32 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-10 12:45 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-12 07:37 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-12 23:46 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-12 18:59 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-12 19:16 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-12 21:40 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-12 21:11 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <jane@home.com> - 2023-06-13 11:32 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-13 07:43 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-13 13:47 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-14 00:34 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-13 18:17 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Androcles Ghost <AG@home.com> - 2023-06-14 09:39 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 08:07 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-14 10:29 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-15 09:45 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 12:08 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-16 03:56 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 08:55 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-15 08:07 -0500
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 12:09 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-16 04:22 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 08:58 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-06-17 00:32 +0000
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 18:06 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:17 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 07:50 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 13:05 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 14:06 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 15:10 -0700
                Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 22:34 -0700
  Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-21 19:51 -0700
    Re: Clarification of the Frequency of Light Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 01:08 +0000

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