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Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic

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On 2/6/2023 7:28 PM, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:11:43 PM UTC-8, whodat wrote:
>> On 2/6/2023 2:57 PM, patdolan wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:58:13 AM UTC-8, seto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:32:45 PM UTC-5, Pentcho Valev wrote:
>>>>> Brian Greene teaches ASYMMETRIC time dilation: The moving clock is slow, the stationary one is fast:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/Q1y3YnPgaY4?t=1157
>>>>>
>>>>> Asymmetric time dilation is non sequitur - doesn't follow from Einstein's 1905 postulates. The postulates, true or false, entail SYMMETRIC time dilation: Either clock is slow as judged from the other clock's system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does Brian Greene abuse logic? Because SYMMETRIC time dilation, the valid deduction, makes no predictions. In contrast, ASYMMETRIC time dilation, the non sequitur, predicts TIME TRAVEL INTO THE FUTURE - the preposterous miracle that converted Einstein into a deity:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The paradigm of the special relativistic upheaval of the usual concept of time is the twin paradox. Let us emphasize that this striking example of time dilation proves that time travel (towards the future) is possible. As a gedanken experiment (if we neglect practicalities such as the technology needed for reaching velocities comparable to the velocity of light, the cost of the fuel and the capacity of the traveller to sustain high accelerations), it shows that a sentient being can jump, "within a minute" (of his experienced time) arbitrarily far in the future, say sixty million years ahead, and see, and be part of, what (will) happen then on Earth. This is a clear way of realizing that the future "already exists" (as we can experience it "in a minute")." http://www.bourbaphy.fr/damourtemps.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>>>>>
>>>>> Pentcho Valev
>>>> There is no asymmetry dilation of absolute time.. What this mean is that a clock second (clock time) contains a different amount of absolute time is differet frames.
>>>> On earth a clock second is representedy 9,192,3631,770 transitions of the Cs 133 atom. Up at the GPS a clock second is represented by 9,192,631,774.1617 transitions of Cs 133 atom. These two different definitions represent the same amount of absolute time but at different locations.
>>> I am aghast that Pentcho's unmasking of Einstein's illogical gaff has not generated more views/comments in this forum.
>> I gave up arguing religious issues when I was in my 20's. That every
>> once in a while a new approach to religious argumentation is announced
>> does nothing to alter my views.
>>
>> I acknowledge that I might miss out on an actual scientific advance, but
>> the odds of that happening lie in my favor. There is something to be
>> said for being stupid while content. Even so, I'm running with pretty
>> good odds that things are working OK as the mainstream of science
>> continues working quite well.
>>
>> Since your pleasures seem to be enhanced by instigating, have at it!
> 
> Have at it?...HAVE AT IT?  Kindly have the courtesy to read Pentcho's second post, whodat(maker).  It's enough the make the scales fall even from Dono's reptilian eyes.  I reproduce it for you here:
> __________________________________________________________
> Einstein devised the asymmetric-time-dilation hoax in 1905:
> 
> Albert Einstein, On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies, 1905: "From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B by tv^2/2c^2 (up to magnitudes of fourth and higher order), t being the time occupied in the journey from A to B." http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
> 
> Einstein's 1905 postulates entail symmetric, not asymmetric, time dilation. So if Einstein had obeyed logic and had performed a valid deduction, his conclusion would have been as follows:
> 
> On its arrival at B the clock moved from A to B lags behind the stationary clock only as judged from the stationary clock's system. As judged from the moving clock's system, however, on its arrival at B, the clock moved from A to B is AHEAD of the stationary clock.
> 
> Why did Einstein abuse logic? Because the logically valid conclusion sounds preposterous. If Einstein had stated it explicitly, Max Planck would not have found courage to publish Einstein's 1905 paper.
> 
> More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
> 
> Pentcho Valev

Nice enough for instigation. Sorry, it has no significant effect on me.

But you seem to be having a good time. Congrats.

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Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-02-04 13:32 -0800
  Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-02-05 05:01 -0800
    Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-02-05 19:33 -0800
  Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Estaban Alduino <tosd@teabnnai.ou> - 2023-02-06 01:48 +0000
  Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-02-06 06:58 -0800
    Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-02-06 12:57 -0800
      Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-06 18:11 -0600
        Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-02-06 17:28 -0800
          Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-06 20:21 -0600
      Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-06 20:34 -0500
        Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-06 20:22 -0600
          Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-02-06 18:58 -0800
            Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-06 22:01 -0600
              Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-02-06 22:08 -0800
                Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-07 04:29 -0600
                Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-02-07 09:59 -0800
                Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-07 13:23 -0600
                Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-07 14:37 -0500
                Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Nicholes Di pasqua <ncau@caliuail.ie> - 2023-02-10 22:16 +0000
  Re: Why Einsteinians Abuse Logic Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-06 19:20 -0800

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