Re: Lithium jump start

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.cars
Subject	Re: Lithium jump start
Date	2016-09-05 12:21 +1000
Message-ID	<e34368F3dtmU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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"D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message 
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> On 5/09/2016 8:51 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In aus.computers Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> wrote:
>>> On 04/09/16 1:16 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> When you consider how many lithium battery powered devices there are 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the world and the number of fires or meltdowns that have happened I
>>>>> think that the risk is extremely low.
>>>>
>>>> Not when you consider the typical production quality of these start
>>>> devices and the kind of loads they are subjected to when you attempt to
>>>> start a modern vehicle.
>>>
>>> So, this is an opinion, or a statement of fact that you can prove?
>>
>> I presented a situation where these devices may be subject to more
>> excessive strain than most Lithium Batteries. Rapidly Discharging
>> hundreds of Amps is a very different situation to the slow discharge
>> of just a few amps (at most) which occours in 99% of consumer battery
>> applications (car batteries excluded).
>>
>> It doesn't mean that these devices are intrinsically unsafe. It does
>> mean that significant design work should have been made in ensuring
>> that the devices operate safely over a much wider range of operating
>> conditions than is normally required.
>>
>> If this work has not been done, and the devices have not been
>> extensively tested, there is a high likelihood of unacceptable
>> failure rates. As the device being discussed appears to have been
>> designed in China for sale at minimum price, I think there is a
>> high likelihood of issues.
>>
>> However as the need to jump start cars is infrequent for many,
>> it may be that most users will not experiance any trouble.

> I could be wrong

You are.

> but I thought that such devices needed to pass Australian Standards 
> testing prior to being put on sale?

Nope. Not even true of mains powered devices.

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          Re: Lithium jump start not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-09-04 01:16 +0000
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                Re: Lithium jump start Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-09-04 16:13 +0800
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                Re: Lithium jump start Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-09-05 15:06 +0800
                Re: Lithium jump start Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-09-05 17:40 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-09-05 18:11 +1000
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                Re: Lithium jump start felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-09-05 20:16 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-09-05 18:05 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-09-06 07:13 +0800
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                Re: Lithium jump start Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-09-06 11:10 +0800
                Re: Lithium jump start (cables again!) felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-09-06 13:57 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start (cables again!) Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-09-06 14:57 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start (cables again!) felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-09-06 18:02 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start (cables again!) Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-09-06 18:35 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start (cables again!) Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-09-06 13:50 +0800
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                Re: Lithium jump start Noddy <me@wardengineering.com> - 2016-09-04 17:21 +1000
                Re: Lithium jump start not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-09-04 22:51 +0000
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