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Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB <Re: Oddity with

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  To: Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler
From: This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms
Of Use <laughing@u.kook>

Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler <fnvw@databasix.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:21:24 GMT, This account has been banned because
> it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> wrote in
> <oklRr.12223$lA2.5191@newsfe07.iad>:
>
>>Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler <fnvw@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:03:37 GMT, This account has been banned because
>>> it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> wrote in
>>> <t76Rr.14200$z66.1370@newsfe10.iad>:
>>>
>>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.14.135.55
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On  Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:10:23 GMT, Captain Koloth Derbyshite
>>>><koloth17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 10:29 am, Lew <no...@lewscanon.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Captain Koloth wrote:
>>>>>> > That IS the contract.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only half of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nearly all of it, given it's rarely custom-subclasses.
>>>>>
>>>>>> People who write code are just as important as those who use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That does not make sense. Both clients and subclassers are "people
>>>>> who write code".
>>>>>
>>>>>> >> But the contract also exists for the SortedMap implementer, and
>>>>>> >> it defines what he's allowed to do. If i wrote a SortedMap under
>>>>>> >> 1.4 that returned a key set that wasn't a SortedSet, which was
>>>>>> >> perfectly legal at that point, i would take a very dim view of a
>>>>>> >> change to the definitionof SortedMap in 1.5 that made it
>>>>>> >> illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Why? It would be very easy to update it, since the backing Map is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you thus show that you realize that there would be a need for
>>>>>> change if the contract changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Qagh Sopbe'.
>>>>
>>>>Huh?
>>>>
>>>>> Entirely beside the point, given how little change.
>>>>
>>>>>> And you don't know how easy it would be to update it,
>>>>>> since the implementation to change will itself be used by other
>>>>>> code, which then will need to change
>>>>>
>>>>> QoH! It won't, since changing the implementation keySet return type
>>>>> to SortedSet won't force change on clients of that code, and it's
>>>>> unlikely for the implementation to be itself subclassed, and even
>>>>> more unlikely for such a subclass to be overriding the superclass
>>>>> implementation of keySet.
>>>>>
>>>>>> thus requiring unit tests, regression tests,
>>>>>> deployment to a zillion production sites, possible new bugs to fix,
>>>>>> delays to other more critical feature improvements or repair, and a
>>>>>> whole lot of cost to Java projects overall.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tojo'Qa'!
>>>>
>>>>Huh?
>>>>
>>>>> What a ridiculous slippery slope argument.
>>>>>
>>>>>> > sorted. You'd just need to implement first, last, subSet,
>>>>>> > tailSet, and headSet, and you could make all of those (in
>>>>>> > presumably an anonymous inner class of your map) punt to
>>>>>> > MySortedMap.this.firstKey(), lastKey (), subMap(x,y).keySet(),
>>>>>> > tailMap(x).keySet(), and headMap(y).keySet ().
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > It would take all of five minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [calls me a liar]
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrr! TlhIngan quv DatIchDI' Seng yIghuH!
>>>>
>>>>Paula, are you off your meds?
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone here is a lying petaQ ... well, let's just say that it is
>>>>> not I!
>>>>>
>>>>>> > Also, how common are third-party implementations of SortedMap,
>>>>>> > really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the time the contract was written, there weren't any.  Having
>>>>>> written the contract, Java must not assume that continues to
>>>>>> pertain.  There could be thousands of such implementations by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> VeQ! There are probably only a handful, if that.
>>>>
>>>>This doesn't look like you're winning at all, for fuck's sake.
>>>>
>>>>(FNVW, is it possible to nominate Paul "Two Socks" Derbyshire for the
>>>>Goofy Azzed Babboon for this very old post?)
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>>Thank you, Mister Wrangler.
>>
>>> According to the award description Goofy Azzed Babboon is for
>>> kooks past and present.
>>>
>>> Goofy Azzed Babboon
>>> This award commemorates Kookistic achievement in the linguistic arts.
>>> Of any language. To be awarded for categorical instances of such
>>> achievement, but if a fully separate category of it is exhibited by
>>> said Kook then they can win it more than once. There is no statute of
>>> limitations here; one should
>>>
>>> * award net.kooks of the past as well as the present*.
>>>
>>>  Linguistic butchering is, we believe, a demonstrably proven Kook Art.
>>>  If the person's inability to
>>> use language comes from their inexperience with it they do not
>>> qualify. Kooky language must come from Kooky thought.
>>
>>And if kooky thoughts were dollars, Paula Derbyshite would be richer
>>than Bill Gates.
>>
>>In recognition of his linguistic butchering while using his "Captain
>>Koloth" sockpuppet, and there being no statute of limitations for the
>>award, I hereby nominate Paul G. "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for the official
>>alt.usenet kook Goofy Azzed Babboon Award.  Seconds?
>
> Nomination accepted.

Thank you, Mister One And Only True Wrangler.

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