Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond Newsgroups: uk.telecom Subject: Re: Virgin Media's Digital Voice system Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2026 13:21:07 +0000 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <82tsvirvlo.fsf@example.com> References: <82v7g2uk0q.fsf@example.com> <20260215115301.43a3aae7@ryz.dorfdsl.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="250899"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8DmwhE9eS9Zt+TXxRrQYqQdOIco= sha1:TLdm0Mu8yYnG/o9XUH3j7USjp3s= X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBACAIBLBKAvLF4RD6R3BTMbL2a2pXV7fN0cOUD7TorAFxRXvNm42UhQsTMqJw/HxDNBIh Xref: csiph.com uk.telecom:38934 Marco Moock writes: > On 12.02.2026 14:13 Uhr Richmond wrote: > >> So there it is, we've destroyed the telephone network and handed >> ourselves over to corporations to feed parasitically on us. All this >> was started by Margaret Thatcher. > > Just choose one of the many SIP providers independent of your ISP > (make sure it supports IPv6, so you can use it even when your ISP > doesn't provide you a public IPv4). > > SIP and RTSP are industry-standard protocols. I've already done that. In fact, I've just checked my emails, I opened my Voipfone account in 2021 while I was on ADSL, because it was cheaper than the landline. That wasn't really the point of my message. My point was that VOIP isn't a telephone network. The network is The Internet, and VOIP is just one service on it, like any other. Before Voipfone I used Sipgate, and before that I used Skype. I am not with Virgin Media, but I know people who are, and if they are paying 24p a minute for VOIP then they really are being ripped off. And if Virgin Media is being paid 24p a minute for outgoing calls, then why are they also charging a Landline Termination Rate? which is the usual reason given for the cost of calls. Can't they make enough money from a price that is 60 times the cost of a Kilowatt of electricity?