Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond Newsgroups: uk.telecom Subject: Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Date: Wed, 06 May 2026 09:40:05 +0100 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <82qznpq6ca.fsf@example.com> References: <381ktk9jo6kkmsu7vorq77ba7h2scskfd8@4ax.com> <10rd676$1nn8o$1@dont-email.me> <828qaterep.fsf@example.com> <10rdga8$1pm5d$6@dont-email.me> <10re055$1uk4t$1@dont-email.me> <10re0q6$1vpfr$1@dont-email.me> <10rg02b$2ghjg$1@dont-email.me> <10rio1n$3a35r$1@dont-email.me> <1rtibg1.1slarp4hfxrlsN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <10t7ebv$2sml1$2@dont-email.me> <10t8hp7$37vja$1@dont-email.me> <1rul1zp.14rrgxn1p0lxc6N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <824ikn9o74.fsf@example.com> <10tai0s$3hrpu$1@dont-email.me> <82zf2f86m8.fsf@example.com> <10tdr8h$mte2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="239106"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rB66yBOnMIz2OVatMFq7b7alqW8= sha1:KjiI40WlnHrYsPa4S4C28rt2mXw= X-User-ID: eJwNysEBwCAIA8CVQEzQcRCb/Uew9z4EnZ2T4IQgc6lOsji46HGzLHuwYxfuqTWtxX/Ajd/WAxvOESw= Xref: csiph.com uk.telecom:39509 "J. P. Gilliver" writes: >>>> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >>>> expensive VOIP calls. > > How much and with whom is your VoIP? I am not sure if you are asking me this question as there are several levels of quotation. But I have two VOIP providers, A&A and Voipfone. Both charge about 1.5p to phone a landline. My mobile costs 3p to phone a landline, which is quite cheap for PAYG mobile. To phone a mobile with A&A is about 4p, whereas with O2 it is 3p, so there it depends on how bad I think the reception is going to be and how much it matters. But anyway the thing people are overlooking is that people with a mobile phone typically use a smart phone. And smart phones cost money, they have to be replaced because the batteries die or the updates cease. The question is, how did we end up in this situation? In the early days of PAYG mobile they were expensive, then they became cheap for a while, now they are expensive again. Maybe 15-25ppm. So people with mobiles paid a subscription. But it was also expensive to phone a mobile from a landline, so people started paying for all inclusive calls. But you don't want to pay two subscriptions, so people started to drop the landline, as you can't take it with you when you go out. The last time I looked Virgin Media was charging about 18ppm for landline calls outside a package. And that is going to be the same with VOIP. It is a total rip-off.