Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond Newsgroups: uk.telecom Subject: Re: Engaged tone Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:56:38 +0100 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <82jyu21xfd.fsf@example.com> References: <10rkvi3$3vsri$2@dont-email.me> <82wly93f6d.fsf@example.com> <10s0sd8$31q5v$1@dont-email.me> <82cxzw9cp5.fsf@example.com> <10s257b$3qie5$1@dont-email.me> <82fr4rm6xh.fsf@example.com> <10s2vjj$36b8$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="625084"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:C7oM9iKf1FixYqavab2vQmE6s3Q= sha1:BHJuVweM+9O4t38MehaKNWRyrcI= X-User-ID: eJwFwYEBwCAIA7CXxNKC5wjM/09YQsjU4aKcjy/vLofirpSfOfv2ROEw+8M2WE/Tu7BEcNkPELAQZg== Xref: csiph.com uk.telecom:39412 David Woolley writes: > On 19/04/2026 14:11, Richmond wrote: >> ___ _ ___ _ >> > This is "equipment engaged", and is the tone equivalent of "all lines > to xxxx are busy, please try again later". Done correctly, one length > is louder than the other. > >> __ __ __ __ __ > This is "subscriber engaged", where the phone is ringing or off hook. > > "Number unobtainable", which is what you are looking for, is a > continuous tone, although normally replaced by a voice announcement. On my router there are two phone sockets and these have internal phone numbers **11 and **12 , so if I phone **11 from phone 1 I get a tone which is actually the equipment engaged tone above, but it must be coming from my router I guess because such a call need not go outside the router. Or maybe these tones are actually transmitted as error code and are then always translated into tones by the VOIP receiver or router?