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| First post | 2021-09-14 19:43 -0700 |
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Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-14 19:43 -0700
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-14 23:15 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-15 08:00 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 08:01 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-15 10:11 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 20:48 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-16 11:10 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-16 21:01 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-17 07:44 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 08:16 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-17 10:29 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-17 10:06 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-17 10:58 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 20:52 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 20:44 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-18 20:46 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 22:03 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 21:05 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-18 04:56 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-18 13:08 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 20:51 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-18 11:18 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-18 13:29 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 10:04 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-09-15 08:46 -0700
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 21:00 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 01:41 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 03:20 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 14:50 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-19 18:45 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-19 21:53 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 22:23 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-20 00:41 -0400
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 10:44 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 21:56 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-19 22:26 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 11:07 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-20 21:11 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-21 15:19 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutter Freak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 13:46 -0700
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 10:38 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-09-17 01:03 +0200
Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-15 10:20 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 12:06 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 21:11 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 21:05 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-09-15 22:34 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-16 08:01 -0500
Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-16 08:03 -0600
Re: I Am Under 18! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-09-17 01:00 +0200
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 19:20 -0500
I'm not Tyrone Biggums. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-16 20:26 -0700
Re: I Am Under 18! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-09-18 03:49 +0200
Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 22:36 -0500
Re: Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-15 07:54 -0400
Spamming shithead Relf in sci.physics Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 20:14 -0700
Re: Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone. Ayaz Siddiqi <ayaz.s.siddiqi@gmail.com> - 2021-10-22 23:53 -0700
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 20:51 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <iql2h9FklU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #832593 |
On 09/17/2021 08:29 AM, RabidHussar wrote: > On 2021-09-17 10:16 a.m., rbowman wrote: >> On 09/17/2021 05:44 AM, RabidHussar wrote: >>>> >>>> I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The neighbors >>>> confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow >>>> roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted >>>> coffee it isn't something you want to do in the house. >>> >>> I would agree with that but I imagine that it smells great if you do so. >>> >>> >> >> Not so much... Remember your starting with green beans so for the few >> minutes it smells like your grilling compost. You're also driving out >> a lot of water. Finally you get to the stage where the beans start to >> crack and it starts to smell edible. There's a lot of chaff produced. >> If there is a slight breeze I separate it by pouring the beans from >> one colander to another and letting it drift downwind. >> >> There are counter top roasters that are supposed to work but they're >> pricey. >> >> https://www.sweetmarias.com/behmor-2000ab-plus-roaster.html >> >> Supposedly that one isn't too smokey >> >> https://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting/hottop-roaster-basic.html >> >> but even that one says >> >> "Yep, if you roast more coffee you are going to get more smoke. >> There's no way around it. You are going to need ventilation, ideally >> by using it under a kitchen vent hood or near an open window. " >> >> >> If you look at the green beans selling for $7 a pound, don't forget >> all the steam, smoke, and chaff. I never weighed it but a pound of >> green beans is not a pound of roasted coffee. > > I guess that had I grown up in a Communist state like my parents did, > I'd not only find it fun but less expensive to roast my own coffee. > However, price-wise, the work is not worth the effort and I'm better off > letting the professionals do it. It's quite amazing how autonomous > Communists are when the only other option is starvation. > >> A friend set up a little sandwich operation for a bar where the >> kitchen was only open for the lunch crowd. Being cheap, he roasted his >> own beef -- once. After he did the before and after weighing he found >> the roast beef from a restaurant supply was a better deal. If you >> bought a 10 pound roast, you would get 40 1/4 pound sandwiches. >> >> The guy was a real entrepreneur. He opened a pizza place and I stopped >> by the night before it opened. He was sitting on the floor with a >> bottle of beer in his hand and many more had preceded that one. 'I >> made a pizza and it was so bad the dog wouldn't eat it. What am I >> going to do?' His wife, who was an excellent cook, came to the rescue >> again. > > I can't imagine how one would screw up pizza; it's literally the easiest > thing to make. The difference in pizza places comes down to the sauce > and the quality of the crust. I notice that Americans chains use the > absolute worst wheat imaginable and therefore have terrible crust > whereas some of the smaller places have some of the most satisfying > breading I've ever tasted. > > You had to know Bob. He could screw up almost anything but he kept on trying. Sober, he was a competent machinist but he had more brainstorms than Wile E. Coyote.
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| From | RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> |
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| Date | 2021-09-18 11:18 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <krn1J.168984$T_8.14288@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #832644 |
On 2021-09-17 10:51 p.m., rbowman wrote: > On 09/17/2021 08:29 AM, RabidHussar wrote: >> On 2021-09-17 10:16 a.m., rbowman wrote: >>> On 09/17/2021 05:44 AM, RabidHussar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The neighbors >>>>> confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow >>>>> roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted >>>>> coffee it isn't something you want to do in the house. >>>> >>>> I would agree with that but I imagine that it smells great if you do >>>> so. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Not so much... Remember your starting with green beans so for the few >>> minutes it smells like your grilling compost. You're also driving out >>> a lot of water. Finally you get to the stage where the beans start to >>> crack and it starts to smell edible. There's a lot of chaff produced. >>> If there is a slight breeze I separate it by pouring the beans from >>> one colander to another and letting it drift downwind. >>> >>> There are counter top roasters that are supposed to work but they're >>> pricey. >>> >>> https://www.sweetmarias.com/behmor-2000ab-plus-roaster.html >>> >>> Supposedly that one isn't too smokey >>> >>> https://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting/hottop-roaster-basic.html >>> >>> but even that one says >>> >>> "Yep, if you roast more coffee you are going to get more smoke. >>> There's no way around it. You are going to need ventilation, ideally >>> by using it under a kitchen vent hood or near an open window. " >>> >>> >>> If you look at the green beans selling for $7 a pound, don't forget >>> all the steam, smoke, and chaff. I never weighed it but a pound of >>> green beans is not a pound of roasted coffee. >> >> I guess that had I grown up in a Communist state like my parents did, >> I'd not only find it fun but less expensive to roast my own coffee. >> However, price-wise, the work is not worth the effort and I'm better off >> letting the professionals do it. It's quite amazing how autonomous >> Communists are when the only other option is starvation. >> >>> A friend set up a little sandwich operation for a bar where the >>> kitchen was only open for the lunch crowd. Being cheap, he roasted his >>> own beef -- once. After he did the before and after weighing he found >>> the roast beef from a restaurant supply was a better deal. If you >>> bought a 10 pound roast, you would get 40 1/4 pound sandwiches. >>> >>> The guy was a real entrepreneur. He opened a pizza place and I stopped >>> by the night before it opened. He was sitting on the floor with a >>> bottle of beer in his hand and many more had preceded that one. 'I >>> made a pizza and it was so bad the dog wouldn't eat it. What am I >>> going to do?' His wife, who was an excellent cook, came to the rescue >>> again. >> >> I can't imagine how one would screw up pizza; it's literally the easiest >> thing to make. The difference in pizza places comes down to the sauce >> and the quality of the crust. I notice that Americans chains use the >> absolute worst wheat imaginable and therefore have terrible crust >> whereas some of the smaller places have some of the most satisfying >> breading I've ever tasted. >> >> > > You had to know Bob. He could screw up almost anything but he kept on > trying. Sober, he was a competent machinist but he had more brainstorms > than Wile E. Coyote. Did he have a bipolar personality, per chance? -- @RabidHussar
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-18 13:29 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <iqmt1jFaqtaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #832667 |
On 09/18/2021 09:18 AM, RabidHussar wrote: > On 2021-09-17 10:51 p.m., rbowman wrote: >> On 09/17/2021 08:29 AM, RabidHussar wrote: >>> On 2021-09-17 10:16 a.m., rbowman wrote: >>>> On 09/17/2021 05:44 AM, RabidHussar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The >>>>>> neighbors >>>>>> confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow >>>>>> roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted >>>>>> coffee it isn't something you want to do in the house. >>>>> >>>>> I would agree with that but I imagine that it smells great if you >>>>> do so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not so much... Remember your starting with green beans so for the few >>>> minutes it smells like your grilling compost. You're also driving out >>>> a lot of water. Finally you get to the stage where the beans start to >>>> crack and it starts to smell edible. There's a lot of chaff produced. >>>> If there is a slight breeze I separate it by pouring the beans from >>>> one colander to another and letting it drift downwind. >>>> >>>> There are counter top roasters that are supposed to work but they're >>>> pricey. >>>> >>>> https://www.sweetmarias.com/behmor-2000ab-plus-roaster.html >>>> >>>> Supposedly that one isn't too smokey >>>> >>>> https://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting/hottop-roaster-basic.html >>>> >>>> but even that one says >>>> >>>> "Yep, if you roast more coffee you are going to get more smoke. >>>> There's no way around it. You are going to need ventilation, ideally >>>> by using it under a kitchen vent hood or near an open window. " >>>> >>>> >>>> If you look at the green beans selling for $7 a pound, don't forget >>>> all the steam, smoke, and chaff. I never weighed it but a pound of >>>> green beans is not a pound of roasted coffee. >>> >>> I guess that had I grown up in a Communist state like my parents did, >>> I'd not only find it fun but less expensive to roast my own coffee. >>> However, price-wise, the work is not worth the effort and I'm better off >>> letting the professionals do it. It's quite amazing how autonomous >>> Communists are when the only other option is starvation. >>> >>>> A friend set up a little sandwich operation for a bar where the >>>> kitchen was only open for the lunch crowd. Being cheap, he roasted his >>>> own beef -- once. After he did the before and after weighing he found >>>> the roast beef from a restaurant supply was a better deal. If you >>>> bought a 10 pound roast, you would get 40 1/4 pound sandwiches. >>>> >>>> The guy was a real entrepreneur. He opened a pizza place and I stopped >>>> by the night before it opened. He was sitting on the floor with a >>>> bottle of beer in his hand and many more had preceded that one. 'I >>>> made a pizza and it was so bad the dog wouldn't eat it. What am I >>>> going to do?' His wife, who was an excellent cook, came to the rescue >>>> again. >>> >>> I can't imagine how one would screw up pizza; it's literally the easiest >>> thing to make. The difference in pizza places comes down to the sauce >>> and the quality of the crust. I notice that Americans chains use the >>> absolute worst wheat imaginable and therefore have terrible crust >>> whereas some of the smaller places have some of the most satisfying >>> breading I've ever tasted. >>> >>> >> >> You had to know Bob. He could screw up almost anything but he kept on >> trying. Sober, he was a competent machinist but he had more >> brainstorms than Wile E. Coyote. > > Did he have a bipolar personality, per chance? > I'm not a shrink, but I don't think so. I don't know if he's still around but he would be in heaven in social media. He'd mastered the art of getting two strangers in a bar arguing over something and quietly slipping away after pouring some fuel on the fire. A true IRL troll.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-15 10:04 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <sht22g$ali$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832423 |
On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: > It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee taste-alike. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-15 08:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <u3h91i-8cnf.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #832425 |
In sci.physics Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. > > > Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. Yeah, if you are boiling it at well over 400 F, which is a bit hard to do at less than 20 bar.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-15 21:00 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <iqfqa8Fu0toU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #832425 |
On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. > > > Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee > taste-alike. > > > https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the brewing process. The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read it on the internet so it must be true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-16 01:41 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <shuou8$55i$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832465 |
On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >> >> >> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >> taste-alike. >> >> >> > > https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ > > "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a > higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – even > if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the brewing process. > > The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the > extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the > coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the full > flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On the other > hand, drip coffee is extracted once." > > The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read it on > the internet so it must be true. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator > > "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall > temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the > "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes) > stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." > > It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine content gives some clue: percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of tea. Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the caffeine. And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, “Americans boil their coffee do death.” -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-16 03:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <shuuo8$qli$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832486 |
On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>> >>> >>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>> taste-alike. >>> >>> >>> >> >> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >> >> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the brewing >> process. >> >> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the full >> flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On the other >> hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >> >> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read it >> on the internet so it must be true. >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >> >> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the >> "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes) >> stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >> >> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. > > Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine > content gives some clue: > > percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L > drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L > > And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of caffeine > getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well as traditions > that are tested for hundreds of years. > > In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ to > let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils and they > turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after boiling has > completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose tea and wait > another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of tea. > > Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not to > pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the caffeine. > > And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, “Americans > boil their coffee do death.” > > > I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the drink. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-19 14:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <si849i$2u5$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832491 |
On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>>> >>>> >>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>>> taste-alike. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >>> >>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the brewing >>> process. >>> >>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the full >>> flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On the >>> other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >>> >>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read it >>> on the internet so it must be true. >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >>> >>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage >>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot >>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >>> >>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. >> >> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine >> content gives some clue: >> >> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L >> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L >> >> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of >> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well as >> traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. >> >> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ to >> let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils and >> they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after >> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose >> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of tea. >> >> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not >> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the >> caffeine. >> >> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, “Americans >> boil their coffee do death.” >> >> >> > > I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will > sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the > evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its > content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), > and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 or > so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would probably > bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and caffeine > sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the drink. > > > > > Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released from tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. Wait till water temperature goes below 90° C (194° F) before you bring hot water in contact with tea or coffee. Caffeine must be something like alcohol, only about 10° C more resilient to evaporation and a solid at normal temperature. Alcohol boils at around 80° C. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-19 18:45 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <iqq3sfFtj70U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #832729 |
On 09/19/2021 01:50 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>>>> taste-alike. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >>>> >>>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >>>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >>>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the >>>> brewing process. >>>> >>>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >>>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >>>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the >>>> full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On >>>> the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >>>> >>>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read >>>> it on the internet so it must be true. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >>>> >>>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >>>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage >>>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot >>>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >>>> >>>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. >>> >>> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine >>> content gives some clue: >>> >>> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L >>> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L >>> >>> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of >>> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well >>> as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. >>> >>> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ >>> to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils >>> and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after >>> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose >>> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of tea. >>> >>> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not >>> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the >>> caffeine. >>> >>> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, >>> “Americans boil their coffee do death.” >>> >>> >>> >> >> I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will >> sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the >> evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its >> content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), >> and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 >> or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would >> probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and >> caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the >> drink. >> >> >> >> >> > > > Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped > boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even > violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released from > tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. In the interest of science I just poured boiling water over loose Dragonwell tea. No second boiling was observed. For full disclosure, my kitchen is at 3000' so the boiling water is only 97 C. Yeah, I know 80 C is the recommended temperature for Dragonwell but that's the loose tea I have on hand.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-19 21:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <si8pir$1t43$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #832740 |
On 9/19/2021 8:45 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/19/2021 01:50 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>>>>> taste-alike. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >>>>> >>>>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >>>>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >>>>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the >>>>> brewing process. >>>>> >>>>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >>>>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >>>>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the >>>>> full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On >>>>> the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >>>>> >>>>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read >>>>> it on the internet so it must be true. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >>>>> >>>>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >>>>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage >>>>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot >>>>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. >>>> >>>> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine >>>> content gives some clue: >>>> >>>> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L >>>> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L >>>> >>>> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of >>>> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well >>>> as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. >>>> >>>> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ >>>> to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils >>>> and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after >>>> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose >>>> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of >>>> tea. >>>> >>>> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not >>>> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the >>>> caffeine. >>>> >>>> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, >>>> “Americans boil their coffee do death.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will >>> sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the >>> evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its >>> content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), >>> and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 >>> or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would >>> probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and >>> caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the >>> drink. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped >> boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even >> violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released from >> tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. > > In the interest of science I just poured boiling water over loose > Dragonwell tea. No second boiling was observed. For full disclosure, my > kitchen is at 3000' so the boiling water is only 97 C. Yeah, I know 80 C > is the recommended temperature for Dragonwell but that's the loose tea I > have on hand. > > I don't know where you're getting your info from, but caffeine sublimates at 178C (352F), not something that will happen with hot water. The "second boiling" mentioned is probably the water being superheated, that is, it's liquid above its usual boiling temperature. It doesn't happen too often, and disturbances can cause it to boil suddenly.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-19 22:23 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <si8uru$lhg$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832741 |
On 9/19/2021 8:53 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > caffeine sublimates at 178C (352F) CRC handbook is what scientists use for physics and chemistry data, not Google. CRC gives 238° C for _melting_ point of caffeine. So boiling point is somewhere even above that temperature. Your data is bullshit. We're talking about sublimating here, direct conversion of solid to gas. This process, according to CRC, takes place at 90° C and above for caffeine. My CRC handbook is the 85th Ed, and you can find this data in page 3-92. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-20 00:41 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <si93de$1078$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #832744 |
On 9/19/2021 11:23 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/19/2021 8:53 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >> caffeine sublimates at 178C (352F) > > > CRC handbook is what scientists use for physics and chemistry data, not > Google. I used DuckDuckGo :-) > > CRC gives 238° C for _melting_ point of caffeine. So boiling point is > somewhere even above that temperature. Your data is bullshit. 178°C is below 238°C in case you haven't noticed. > > We're talking about sublimating here, direct conversion of solid to gas. Which is what I said. I checked several sites (don't have a Rubber Bible) and all stated it sublimated at 178°C at atmospheric pressure. > This process, according to CRC, takes place at 90° C and above for > caffeine. My CRC handbook is the 85th Ed, and you can find this data in > page 3-92. Maybe 90°C is for vacuum? Anyway, 178°C for most people drinking coffee at 1 atm is what's relevant.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-20 10:44 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <siaa8g$6s4$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832747 |
On 9/19/2021 11:41 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > I checked several sites (don't have a Rubber Bible) and all stated it > sublimated at 178°C at atmospheric pressure. All must've been getting that number from each other using DuckDuck in a well-established Cro-Magnon behavior of looking at each other instead of independently researching it. While in university you got the bad habit of accessing them free, but real journal data in USA cost you a lot of money to see. You'll spend thousands of dollars and many many days and weeks going through many papers ($40 each to see!) to just find a phase diagram for caffeine, or any other information you want to access. So American scientists backed CRC to cut that bullshit short for them. Time-wise and money-wise. Even CRC was not immune to Cro-Magnon motherfuckers. Starting early 1960s they deliberately downsized it to cut public access to a lot of useful and genuine data. Something like 4000 pages got reduced to around 2000, and it never recovered from it. U.S. government had created and started the project JASON which asked (read it "forced") scientists to participate to come up with ideas for hiding genuine and useful scientific information. I think this project is still going full force! Fuck you Cro-Magnons and die off! Hehe :) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-19 21:56 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <si8t9l$l8u$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832740 |
On 9/19/2021 7:45 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/19/2021 01:50 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>>>>> taste-alike. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >>>>> >>>>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >>>>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >>>>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the >>>>> brewing process. >>>>> >>>>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >>>>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >>>>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the >>>>> full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On >>>>> the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >>>>> >>>>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read >>>>> it on the internet so it must be true. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >>>>> >>>>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >>>>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage >>>>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot >>>>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. >>>> >>>> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine >>>> content gives some clue: >>>> >>>> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L >>>> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L >>>> >>>> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of >>>> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well >>>> as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. >>>> >>>> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ >>>> to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils >>>> and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after >>>> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose >>>> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of >>>> tea. >>>> >>>> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not >>>> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the >>>> caffeine. >>>> >>>> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, >>>> “Americans boil their coffee do death.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will >>> sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the >>> evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its >>> content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), >>> and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 >>> or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would >>> probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and >>> caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the >>> drink. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped >> boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even >> violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released from >> tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. > > In the interest of science I just poured boiling water over loose > Dragonwell tea. No second boiling was observed. For full disclosure, my > kitchen is at 3000' so the boiling water is only 97 C. Yeah, I know 80 C > is the recommended temperature for Dragonwell but that's the loose tea I > have on hand. > > Did you pour it gradually? If you pour boiling water gradually you won't see it cause released gas will have plenty space other than the hot water medium to escape through. You should pour the boiling water (just after boiling stopped) almost at once to block the gas. Then you'll probably see the water boil again, this time by all that caffeine gas escaping through it. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-19 22:26 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <iqqgqqF19rkU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #832742 |
On 09/19/2021 08:56 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/19/2021 7:45 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On 09/19/2021 01:50 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>> On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>>>>>> taste-alike. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >>>>>> >>>>>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >>>>>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >>>>>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the >>>>>> brewing process. >>>>>> >>>>>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >>>>>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >>>>>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the >>>>>> full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On >>>>>> the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >>>>>> >>>>>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read >>>>>> it on the internet so it must be true. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >>>>>> >>>>>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >>>>>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage >>>>>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot >>>>>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >>>>>> >>>>>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. >>>>> >>>>> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine >>>>> content gives some clue: >>>>> >>>>> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L >>>>> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L >>>>> >>>>> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of >>>>> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well >>>>> as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. >>>>> >>>>> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ >>>>> to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils >>>>> and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after >>>>> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose >>>>> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of >>>>> tea. >>>>> >>>>> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not >>>>> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the >>>>> caffeine. >>>>> >>>>> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, >>>>> “Americans boil their coffee do death.” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will >>>> sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the >>>> evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its >>>> content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), >>>> and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 >>>> or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would >>>> probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and >>>> caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the >>>> drink. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped >>> boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even >>> violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released from >>> tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. >> >> In the interest of science I just poured boiling water over loose >> Dragonwell tea. No second boiling was observed. For full disclosure, >> my kitchen is at 3000' so the boiling water is only 97 C. Yeah, I know >> 80 C is the recommended temperature for Dragonwell but that's the >> loose tea I have on hand. >> >> > > > Did you pour it gradually? If you pour boiling water gradually you won't > see it cause released gas will have plenty space other than the hot > water medium to escape through. You should pour the boiling water (just > after boiling stopped) almost at once to block the gas. Then you'll > probably see the water boil again, this time by all that caffeine gas > escaping through it. > > Took the pan off the stove while it was still boiling and poured it into the mug. It doesn't get any faster.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-20 11:07 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <siabkr$7nm$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832746 |
On 9/19/2021 11:26 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/19/2021 08:56 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/19/2021 7:45 PM, rbowman wrote: >>> On 09/19/2021 01:50 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>> On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>> On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>>> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee >>>>>>>> taste-alike. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a >>>>>>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – >>>>>>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the >>>>>>> brewing process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the >>>>>>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the >>>>>>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the >>>>>>> full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On >>>>>>> the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read >>>>>>> it on the internet so it must be true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall >>>>>>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage >>>>>>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot >>>>>>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine >>>>>> content gives some clue: >>>>>> >>>>>> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L >>>>>> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L >>>>>> >>>>>> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of >>>>>> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well >>>>>> as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ >>>>>> to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils >>>>>> and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after >>>>>> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose >>>>>> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of >>>>>> tea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not >>>>>> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the >>>>>> caffeine. >>>>>> >>>>>> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, >>>>>> “Americans boil their coffee do death.” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will >>>>> sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the >>>>> evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its >>>>> content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), >>>>> and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 >>>>> or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would >>>>> probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and >>>>> caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the >>>>> drink. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped >>>> boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even >>>> violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released >>>> from >>>> tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. >>> >>> In the interest of science I just poured boiling water over loose >>> Dragonwell tea. No second boiling was observed. For full disclosure, >>> my kitchen is at 3000' so the boiling water is only 97 C. Yeah, I know >>> 80 C is the recommended temperature for Dragonwell but that's the >>> loose tea I have on hand. >>> >>> >> >> >> Did you pour it gradually? If you pour boiling water gradually you won't >> see it cause released gas will have plenty space other than the hot >> water medium to escape through. You should pour the boiling water (just >> after boiling stopped) almost at once to block the gas. Then you'll >> probably see the water boil again, this time by all that caffeine gas >> escaping through it. >> >> > > Took the pan off the stove while it was still boiling and poured it into > the mug. It doesn't get any faster. > Whatever you had in mug perhaps didn't have much caffeine to begin with. This time contain your coffee or tea in an all surrounding little sieve, like those in Vietnamese stores for inserting tea in hot water without dispersing the leaves everywhere. If it is of good quality, that is if it has an adequate amount of caffeine in it, you should see a diffusion of tiny bubbles out of the sieve surface. Almost like a white cloud. But back to the notion of good coffee, I believe it is based on two simultaneous conditions: 1- It should retain a lot of caffeine by the time you drink it. 2- You _must_ drink it at the right time, at the right place. Condition "2" has psychological reasons behind it and is every bit as required as caffeine itself. "Classical Conditioning" is part of the process in any addiction. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-20 21:11 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <iqt0qgFfu4kU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #832765 |
On 09/20/2021 10:07 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > Whatever you had in mug perhaps didn't have much caffeine to begin with. > This time contain your coffee or tea in an all surrounding little sieve, > like those in Vietnamese stores for inserting tea in hot water without > dispersing the leaves everywhere. If it is of good quality, that is if > it has an adequate amount of caffeine in it, you should see a diffusion > of tiny bubbles out of the sieve surface. Almost like a white cloud. You mean the entrained air? You could get the same effect with catnip or chamomile flowers.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-21 15:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <sidepa$fqa$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #832787 |
On 9/20/2021 10:11 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/20/2021 10:07 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> Whatever you had in mug perhaps didn't have much caffeine to begin with. >> This time contain your coffee or tea in an all surrounding little sieve, >> like those in Vietnamese stores for inserting tea in hot water without >> dispersing the leaves everywhere. If it is of good quality, that is if >> it has an adequate amount of caffeine in it, you should see a diffusion >> of tiny bubbles out of the sieve surface. Almost like a white cloud. > > You mean the entrained air? You could get the same effect with catnip or > chamomile flowers. No it's more violent than that. Sometimes even it makes coffee or tea boil over the edges of the cup. I don't have time to find you a video of it. It has happened to me many times though, when I was in a hurry and didn't want to wait for hot water to cool a little bit. The definitive explanation could be seen from a caffeine phase diagram that at least covers various atmospheric pressures we experience on earth surface. I challenge you to find one, cause it won't be easy. Even Google Scholar wants money now. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutter Freak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-21 13:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: I Am Under 18! |
| Message-ID | <8a8b5017-22c9-47e7-a854-72ebaabd401dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #832765 |
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 11:07:59 AM UTC-5, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/19/2021 11:26 PM, rbowman wrote: > > On 09/19/2021 08:56 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > >> On 9/19/2021 7:45 PM, rbowman wrote: > >>> On 09/19/2021 01:50 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > >>>> On 9/16/2021 3:20 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > >>>>> On 9/16/2021 1:41 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > >>>>>> On 9/15/2021 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote: > >>>>>>> On 09/15/2021 09:04 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 9/15/2021 9:01 AM, rbowman wrote: > >>>>>>>>> It was A&P Bokar prepared in a percolator. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Boiling destroys most of the caffeine. You were drinking coffee > >>>>>>>> taste-alike. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://bybloscoffee.com/percolator-coffee-vs-drip/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Yes, a coffee drink brewed with a percolator coffee pot will have a > >>>>>>> higher caffeine content than a brew made with a drip coffee maker – > >>>>>>> even if they used the same amount of coffee and water for the > >>>>>>> brewing process. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The reason why percolator coffee contains more nicotine is that the > >>>>>>> extraction process is repeated numerous times as water runs over the > >>>>>>> coffee ground. This guarantees maximum extraction so you get the > >>>>>>> full flavor and full caffeine content of any amount of coffee. On > >>>>>>> the other hand, drip coffee is extracted once." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The guy gets his drugs confused in the second paragraph but I read > >>>>>>> it on the internet so it must be true. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall > >>>>>>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage > >>>>>>> the "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot > >>>>>>> makes) stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It doesn't boil unless you're asleep at the switch. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hate to resort to wikipedia but even data in there about caffeine > >>>>>> content gives some clue: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> percolated coffee: 386 - 652 mg/L > >>>>>> drip coffee: 555 - 845 mg/L > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And I don’t even trust wikipedia for anything. My knowledge of > >>>>>> caffeine getting destroyed by boiling comes from physicians as well > >>>>>> as traditions that are tested for hundreds of years. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In Iran most people are tea drinkers, and they all take pains _not_ > >>>>>> to let the tea pot boil cause it ruins the tea effect. Water boils > >>>>>> and they turn off the heat, then they wait like three minutes after > >>>>>> boiling has completely stopped, then they pour the hot water on loose > >>>>>> tea and wait another 15 or 20 minutes. This preserves the effect of > >>>>>> tea. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also physicians here that sometimes prescribe green tea warn you not > >>>>>> to pour boiling water on top of green tea as it would destroy the > >>>>>> caffeine. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And of course I remember the words of Erich Maria Remarque, > >>>>>> “Americans boil their coffee do death.” > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I just checked my CRC for physics and chemistry. It says caffeine will > >>>>> sublimate at temperatures above 90 degrees celsius! So it may be the > >>>>> evaporation of the caffeine at boiling temperatures that reduces its > >>>>> content in tea or coffee when brewed at 100 degree celsius (boiling), > >>>>> and not the break up of the molecules. So it makes sense cause the 3 > >>>>> or so minutes that people wait after boiling has stopped would > >>>>> probably bring the temperature of water below 90 degrees C and > >>>>> caffeine sublimation won’t take place anymore. It’ll all stay in the > >>>>> drink. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Actually it can be seen too. If you pour water that had just stopped > >>>> boiling over loose tea, water boils over a second time, sometimes even > >>>> violently. This could be all the caffeine gas that's being released > >>>> from > >>>> tea. I've seen same effect with good quality instant coffee as well. > >>> > >>> In the interest of science I just poured boiling water over loose > >>> Dragonwell tea. No second boiling was observed. For full disclosure, > >>> my kitchen is at 3000' so the boiling water is only 97 C. Yeah, I know > >>> 80 C is the recommended temperature for Dragonwell but that's the > >>> loose tea I have on hand. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> Did you pour it gradually? If you pour boiling water gradually you won't > >> see it cause released gas will have plenty space other than the hot > >> water medium to escape through. You should pour the boiling water (just > >> after boiling stopped) almost at once to block the gas. Then you'll > >> probably see the water boil again, this time by all that caffeine gas > >> escaping through it. > >> > >> > > > > Took the pan off the stove while it was still boiling and poured it into > > the mug. It doesn't get any faster. > > > Whatever you had in mug perhaps didn't have much caffeine to begin with. > This time contain your coffee or tea in an all surrounding little sieve, > like those in Vietnamese stores for inserting tea in hot water without > dispersing the leaves everywhere. If it is of good quality, that is if > it has an adequate amount of caffeine in it, you should see a diffusion > of tiny bubbles out of the sieve surface. Almost like a white cloud. > > But back to the notion of good coffee, I believe it is based on two > simultaneous conditions: > > 1- It should retain a lot of caffeine by the time you drink it. > 2- You _must_ drink it at the right time, at the right place. > > Condition "2" has psychological reasons behind it and is every bit as > required as caffeine itself. "Classical Conditioning" is part of the > process in any addiction. > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus Oops.. I meant to say "Situational Conditioning", not "Classical." It's been a long time since I learned that in psychology class.
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