Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.atheism Subject: Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:52:46 +0200 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <662D3C6E.73F1@ix.netcom.com> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> <6739ea7a-5305-7a6e-42f6-07e5037c6151@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1999695053-1714503168=:10147" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2854519"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:653245 sci.physics:887053 alt.atheism:3370566 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1999695053-1714503168=:10147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: > D wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident >>>>> that there is a God. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>> >>>> Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something >>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>> >>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >> >> That is not scientific proof. > > I never said it was That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof could have any meaning. >> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god. No >> such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards of >> science. >> >> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of >> gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this >> position is. > > with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4 > billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. believers > in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then clearly the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven to circle the earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how absurd equating followers with proof is. >> >> If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this group >> would be converted. >> >> Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with >> science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. >> >> So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god >> that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. >> >> That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never >> convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light >> entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >> >>>> Atheists >>>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>>> the existence of anything.  Including any god. >>>> >>>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>>> hero abilities. >>>> >>>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>>> it does exist. >>>> >>>> > > > --8323328-1999695053-1714503168=:10147--