Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.bofh.team!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.atheism Subject: Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Date: Thu, 09 May 2024 23:20:32 -0700 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: <663DBCB0.4F42@ix.netcom.com> References: <6638F8B4.4C4C@ix.netcom.com> <66393269.4913@ix.netcom.com> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> <0iim3jp6emvpogsg1obp5bgppk8798f2v6@4ax.com> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="957522"; posting-host="nLYg9UBeoMWa070gP9wQcw.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240509-4, 05/09/2024), Outbound message Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:653559 sci.physics:887363 alt.atheism:3372553 Attila < wrote: > > On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:28:25 +1000, Maximus > in alt.atheism with message-id > wrote: > > >Attila wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker > >> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Attila < wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker > >>>> in alt.atheism with message-id > >>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Attila < wrote: > >>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker > >>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id > >>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an > >>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe) > >>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and > >>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure > >>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without > >>>>>> them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not > >>>>>> we exist. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God > >>>>>>> created the heavens and > >>>>>>> the earth.' > >>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified > >>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "created" > >>>>>>> '...created the heavens and > >>>>>>> the earth.' > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth > >>>>>>> was... > >>>>>>> 'created'??? > >>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such > >>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not > >>>>>> yet known. > >>>>> you wrote: > >>>>> "creation took place" > >>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation > >>>> occurred. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That means you agree creation took place. > >>>> Wrong. See above. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What's next on my reverse engineering list? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created... > >>>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Next is God...God created > >>>>> the heavens and the earth. > >>>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could > >>>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or > >>>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else. > >>>> > >>>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything. > >>>> > >>>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence > >>>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on > >>>> referring to one. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God? > >>>> 1. > >>>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the > >>>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral > >>>> authority; the supreme being. > >>> > >>> I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God? > >> Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I > >> did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and > >> ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here. > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> and You picked Your Christian God. > >> Not mine. > >> > >>> So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian! > >>> > >>> > >>> Typical atheists. > >>> > >>> > >>> Your girlfriend Christian too, right? > >>> > >>> > >>> It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too! > >> Is? I thought he was dead. > >> > >>> > >>> But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's. > >> I speak standard English and use definitions that are common > >> to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I > >> doubt may people would know what I was saying. > >> > >>> > >>> Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God... > >> Why? It would mean nothing to me. > > > >exactly. it's not for atheists to define God. > > Why should we bother? Atheists, by it's own definition of atheists cannot exist without God in it's own definition. You're stuck with God for life, belief or no belief. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.