Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:01:46 +0000 Message-ID: <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 01:01:52 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Organization: The Starmaker Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: ? ? ? References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <65E8186D.2220@ix.netcom.com> <65E81BB3.3B9B@ix.netcom.com> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> <17ba368e6628ddbc$38447$141478$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240318-4, 03/18/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 137 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-S0TELC91ewr/Pv5jg19NeI/zWJa9Og3v/lH2EsaDgQiJFbNM0zp9I1/lDc9sQOp8Y+opFzzyo7sLrFf!2kkCOWpQ25Ve12gHvZ7u6a3s7f1jXuyR9/Ib8CkKVpBa62fi6qFVpqyRyR4Sih05HxTwmgkdNElE!yAkV85XfW94= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:652213 sci.physics:885918 sci.math:626219 The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > > W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze: > > >> Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > >>> > > >>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: > > >>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: > > >>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > >>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects > > >>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects > > >>>>>>>>>> have to > > >>>>>>>>>> fullfil. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain > > >>>>>>>>>> 'axis of > > >>>>>>>>>> time') > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". > > >>>>>>>>> How does it use it? > > >>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone > > >>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' > > >>>>>>>> (of/in > > >>>>>>>> spacetime). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of > > >>>>>>>> atoms. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would > > >>>>>>>> alllow a > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? > > >>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? > > >>>>>> ?? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model? > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or > > >>>>>>> are they something else? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Time zones are something else. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? > > >>>>> Are they times or are they something else? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Time zones are just...shadows. > > >>> > > >>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. > > >>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they > > >>> times? > > >>> > > >>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. > > >>>> > > >>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my > > >>>> shadows!" > > >>>> > > >>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" > > >>>> > > >>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" > > >>> > > >>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. > > >> > > >> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. > > >> > > >> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. > > >> > > >> > > >> If you put a sundial in one time zone... > > >> > > >> > > >> it's shadows all the way down. > > > > > > And - are zone times times or are they > > > something else? > > > > > > > All time measures are intervals. > > > > You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between > > that event and some other event. > > > > This measure is often called 'time'. > > > > Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is > > a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'. > > > > To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally > > fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'. > > > > But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not > > born 24 times on a single day. > > > > TH > > No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and > measure the movement of the shadow. > > This measure you often called 'time'. > > But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now, > shadow or no shadow. > > The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys > doing, it's just a shadow?!" > > "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials." > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical shadow. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.