Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:10:20 +0000 Message-ID: <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:10:28 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Organization: The Starmaker Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: ? ? ? References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <17ba17198d38202d$39429$138080$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65E8186D.2220@ix.netcom.com> <65E81BB3.3B9B@ix.netcom.com> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> <17ba368e6628ddbc$38447$141478$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240317-4, 03/17/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 92 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-uXnhrW7J9ZgQg1JLoRM5BazaQjNOS+C4PJObdIMnulLfSDZiZiosK8Jt7Oh6dM4WoUeh4LRFcIpZBCu!ImCNwa/3vMzXfsXeZr3LLvp8xF63JXujXrJ5lnvCWj2Cfvne0YdlC+j3llB2tlALJvYfqO526Tlh!69aTZea5NhI= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:652166 sci.physics:885874 sci.math:626187 Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: > > Maciej Wozniak wrote: > >> > >> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: > >>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > >>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: > >>>> > >>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects > >>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to > >>>>>>> fullfil. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of > >>>>>>> time') > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". > >>>>>> How does it use it? > >>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone > >>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in > >>>>> spacetime). > >>>>> > >>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms. > >>>>> > >>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? > >>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? > >>> ?? > >>> > >>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. > >> > >> So, who, or what, can use time to model? > >> > >>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or > >>>> are they something else? > >>> > >>> Time zones are something else. > >> > >> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? > >> Are they times or are they something else? > > > > > > Time zones are just...shadows. > > Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. > Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they > times? > > > The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. > > > > Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? > > > > > > The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!" > > > > The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" > > > > The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" > > The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. If you put a sundial in one time zone... it's shadows all the way down. wait a minute, i'm hearing something...who dat say who dat when i say who dat?? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.