Path: csiph.com!tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 20:03:46 +0000 Message-ID: <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:03:53 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Organization: The Starmaker Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: ? ? ? References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <17ba17198d38202d$39429$138080$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65E8186D.2220@ix.netcom.com> <65E81BB3.3B9B@ix.netcom.com> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> <17ba368e6628ddbc$38447$141478$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240317-4, 03/17/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 74 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-fR9F0OCo7X2g9phohIwWF5OaGQ7DU3y5HGOXZ0TmRi7sA50D0xEvgRrovmvBKkTYhd/67zNzObTVj4l!QENONaNLCyE0A9of3H7LkkiC79/W4ZvY61C3bfBsDB+sXHTUL/WjpCqJU9akBoaY8ZY9MVvnXh9U!MoXDSk0dB3g= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Received-Bytes: 4345 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:652157 sci.physics:885870 sci.math:626179 Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: > > Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > >> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: > >> > >>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects > >>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to > >>>>> fullfil. > >>>> > >>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of > >>>>> time') > >>>> > >>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". > >>>> How does it use it? > >>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone > >>>> time - times, or are they something else? > >>>> > >>> > >>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in > >>> spacetime). > >>> > >>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms. > >>> > >>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a > >> > >> > >> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? > >> Who or what is using "time" concept here? > > ?? > > > > Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. > > So, who, or what, can use time to model? > > >> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or > >> are they something else? > > > > Time zones are something else. > > Time zones surely are. How about zone times? > Are they times or are they something else? Time zones are just...shadows. The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!" The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" The Sun sez, "IT'S JUST A FUCKING SHADOW!!!!" The Moon ask the Sun, "What time do you have?" "Half past a cows ass, a quarter to my balls!" -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.