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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:
> > > >
> > > > W dniu 05.03.2024 o 21:26, Thomas Heger pisze:
> > > > > Am 29.02.2024 um 17:54 schrieb ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog:
> > > > >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> The concept of time is actually based on counting events, about which
> > > > >>> we assume, they would occur always with the same frequency.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> That was the year or the day in ancient times and later the hour and
> > > > >>> the second.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Much later men counted the waves in certain kinds of exitations of
> > > > >>> certain atoms.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> But in all cases a process of counting was meant, where the underlying
> > > > >>> frequency was assumed to be universally constant.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> But: that is problematic, because actually we don't know, whether
> > > > >>> these frequencies are universally constant or not.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> This is so, because the second is defined and measured by the same
> > > > >>> process, which frequency we like to measure.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This all comes down to the age-old question that has been repeatedly
> > > > >> debated on these forums: What is a clock?
> > > > >
> > > > > A clock is an artifact (and does not show time).
> > > > >
> > > > > Clocks show a measure, which we humans interpret as date, hours, minutes
> > > > > and seconds.
> > > > >
> > > > > But that's not time neither (it's a measure).
> > > >
> > > > Wrong. Yes, that's - exactly  - time. Why not,
> > > > doesn't match your mystical delusions? It's not
> > > > obligged to.
> > >
> > > if one clock is running slow,
> > > and the other clock fast...
> > > which one is the real time?
> > >
> > > answer: neither one.
> > >
> > > even a sundial does not have the real time...
> > >
> > > yous people let clocks
> > > run your life and yous don't even know
> > > that the real time is?
> > >
> > > oh, i'm late...i gotta go.
> > >
> > > is 't' a number?
> > >
> > > numbers don't exist.
> > >
> >
> > i got a good idea..
> > throw away all
> > your clocks.
> >
> > No more time.
> >
> > if you see the sun
> > moving around...
> > that is all
> > it is doing...moving
> > around.
> 
> What time is it ...now?
> 
> It's always Now.
> 
> If a clock moves one second
> it tells you the time now..
> 
> next second
> it tells you the time now..
> 
> next second
> it tells you the time now..
> 
> next second
> it tells you the time now..
> 
> it's always...Now.
> 
> What time is it ...now?
> 
> it's always...Now.
> 
> What now is it?
> 
> the second before is not now,
> it's in the past..it doesn't exist.
> 
> How do you measure a second before?


I just took the battery
out of the clock.
Time has stopped.

No more time.

I don't know what time it is ...Now.

wait a minute...isn't always Now????

i don't need a clock
to tell me what time
it is now, it's always now!


i need to put the battery back in
so i'll know what time it is...now.

okay, i know what time it is now.

it's 12 O'clock now.

i got the real time..

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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