Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 12:13:15 -0500 Message-ID: <62ED4FC1.587@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 10:13:37 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Organization: The Starmaker Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics Subject: Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... References: <6a069b47-4e60-41c6-b0d4-c68be38fe166n@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 220805-2, 08/05/2022), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 171 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-kDta5y11JQ6RrsJkH00/z0TmWerP0ZtpwmWwmmE+wGltVU7KjVF0JM5W2V7StnZmr1dNvjO4VIulVHw!VWXmjTxz4MiDRmhmnn6OZxmF21j+FOZULb//dr8WuVTdCy7NzpB2z5bjwT29m2urvNesepHCEHZt!+ArM6MYgNw== X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 9706 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:589313 sci.physics:858937 Richard Hertz wrote: > > Now, as relativity itself, this forum is becoming obsolete. > > No new ideas, no wit, no humor, no great insights. Only a few topics, repeated > "ad nauseum" by Einstein's widows. > > It's sad to witness how "die hard" relativists started to gave up months ago, > after years of sterile attempts to explain why relativity MATTERS at any field > of modern science, or the instructive lectures about what is the essence of > a physicist, based on his/her perception of how Nature seems to work. > > It reminds me about the life and doings of one failed physicist, that only got > one Nobel Prize in Physics, just by chance, and that allowed Einstein to publish: > > Wilhelm Carl Werner Otto Fritz Franz Wien (Willy, for friends). > https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Wien/ > > Those who have been demoralized to pursue a career in physics by the ones > that no longer are posting here, should read (in depth, and think) about his > history, preciously narrated in the link above. > > Maybe Einstein did know about Wien's history, as he was an inept errand > until he was 24, and Wien gave him a decisive help to start a career. > > Some facts about Willy Wien: > > - Born in 1864, a child of noble Prussian roots, was given six names by his parents, to mark his social relevance (they ruined the life of the poor Willy). > > - He was a lonely child, groomed by his father to learn agriculture, as he > thought it was Willy's destiny to manage family's properties. > > - Being 11, showed little enthusiasm for academic work. He had not been > prepared for study at the Gymnasium, and he was poorly prepared for > mathematics courses. As he didn't progress, at the age of 16, his father > made him to return home in 1880, to learn to become a farmer. > > - However, his mother wanted him to gain some academic skills, so his > parents arranged private tutors. He was then sent to study at the > Königsberg Altstädtisches Gymnasium, where Sommerfeld and Minkowski > were pupils, and Wien then started to make good academic progress, > graduating from high school in 1882, being 18 years old. > > - Wien's mother encouraged him to continue his education, so he enrolled > at the University of Göttingen where he studied mathematics and natural > sciences but became bored with the courses, and he quit after six months. > He returned to his parents' farm with the intention of learning to run the > farm but, somehow, suffered an existential crisis that let him to restart his > study, at the University of Berlin, the next year (1883). > > - Love for physics came to him being almost 20 y.o., when started to work > at the lab with von Helmholtz: "... really came in contact with physics for > the first time", he remembered later. He earned his doctoral degree in 1896 > but with less than excellent notes. No professor encouraged him to keep > building a career in physics, so he returned to the farm, to help his parents, > which started to become ill. > > - Helmholtz himself reinforced Wien's doubts about physics, maintaining that > as an only son he should take over his parents' property; if he wished, he > could always pursue scientific research as a hobby. > > - Wien was in a difficult position, unsure of his abilities in physics, but always > very sure of his lack of skill for taking over running the farm. He found > communicating with the farm workers difficult, and he even failed trying > to make a good purchase of a horse. Despite this he took his professors' > advice and for over three years he worked as a farmer, doing research in > physics as a hobby. > > - Still, he managed to take a semester working again with von Helmholtz. His > parents moved to Berlin, and became seriously ill, dying by 1890. In that > year, Bismarck was dismissed as Emperor and Wien felt that a new era had > opened up for him. > > - Over the next few years he carried out work of exceptional quality which led > to the award of a Nobel Prize in physics but in 1890 his first priority was to > work on his habilitation thesis. > > - Wien's career took off and, in 1893, working at the Physikalisch-Technische > Reichsanstalt (PTR), the most advanced laboratory in the world, discovered > his Displacement Law of Blackbody Radiation, having invented first the > "perfect black body cavity", which allowed studies of its internal radiation. > Only this contribution made him famous worldwide, as he had found the > way to measure temperature of radiation, key for industrial process. > > - In 1896, he adventured a theory about the spectral distribution of radiation > within a BBC, which was fully compliant with experiments for wavelengths > above 100 micrometers. It would be Planck, in 1900, and with heavy help of > experimental physicists, new technologies and information about what > Rayleigh was doing at England, that added a missing term in Wien's equation > plus the discovery of the quantum of energy "h" in Dec. 1900. > > - Meanwhile, Wien HAD DISCOVERED the proton, as early as 1899. He had > invented the first mass-spectrograph and laid the foundation of mass > spectroscopy. J J Thomson refined Wien's apparatus and conducted > further experiments in 1913 then, after work by E Rutherford in 1919, Wien's > particle was accepted and named the proton. > > - His studies on the diffraction of x-rays by crystals was the earliest work in > this area, coming five years before the discoveries made by Max von Laue. > > - Besides his 1903 Nobel Prize for his Law of Displacement, Wien became a > permanent Chief Editor of Annalen der Physik in 1906, unitl his death in 1928. > He worked those 22 years, sharing with Planck the position of Directors > of the famous journal. > > - Wien had 3professorship positions since 1899, the last one for 20 years. > By 1900 he was an internationally acclaimed physicist and received many > invitations to lecture throughout the world. In 1914 Wien published Ziele > und Methoden der theoetische Physik Ⓣ. In this work he gave his views on > the difference between mathematical physics and theoretical physics. > > - Wien had a "friendly", long term, dispute with Planck about the value of > pure theoretical physics, as he considered that a physicist had to manage > both experimental and theoretical physics. He punished Heisenberg with > an average degree on his doctoral degree for his fail on experimental > physics. > > If you're interested, you can read his biography at the link above. > > Why do I write this post? Very simple: for me, Willy Wien is the encarnation > of the struggle of the human being to insist finding what the future will be > for him, and a PROOF of that our future is lying on our hands and spirit. Even > not knowing what will come, the mystery of life is revealed when you are old > and REALIZE that what you achieved was ALWAYS in your hands, and that > you are the architect of your own future (even if you don't know yet). > > Now, compare Wien's struggle to get somewhere with Planck, Einstein and > so many others. > > You are not born a physicist. Physics FIND YOU, if you persist. > > Only a bunch of people are born as geniuses. Maybe 1 in 100 millions. I, > particularly, think in that way of Maxwell, Gauss, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart > and, maybe, Newton. > > Einstein? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH! Newton, Mozart, Einstein, etc., all had Autism, what was then known as...retardation. They were all born retarded, not geniuses. I see, most of yous don't understand the definition of retarded... look at Jerry Lewis doing a Nutty Proffesor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S9PCIwhsmU or ask any 1st grade kid to draw a picture of what they think a scientist looks like... crazy retarded drawings all of them. Now, ...ask Nature, "What is a scientist?" and Nature will bring forth this: https://static.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2018/03/14/65cea6ca-279e-11e8-8efd-583b7c4e6b07.jpg a pattern begins to form... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.