Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 00:24:10 -0600 Message-ID: <6195F1BA.683B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:24:58 -0800 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Einstein Lied Again References: <610DA51D.680B@ix.netcom.com> <610DDBC4.431@ix.netcom.com> <61180C25.631@ix.netcom.com> <61882FC7.14AD@ix.netcom.com> <61901D54.8B7@ix.netcom.com> <619228C9.1B17@ix.netcom.com> <61958328.38B3@ix.netcom.com> <5d0cbeee-e0b2-4f8a-8733-f5baba639421n@googlegroups.com> <6195CE9F.6B5C@ix.netcom.com> <0634c219-0636-4eb1-ac71-874d5b5ec129n@googlegroups.com> <6195EBBE.36CD@ix.netcom.com> <6195EF48.63B8@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 211117-6, 11/17/2021), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 77 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-tbY+Pq68Pvdn/F15BzZ+uRxhcyFRIX9EiMaMgeAzDJNAQoMNr3l+E5suYk82oLnKAME6KVXbjVmB2Va!GDmYX6uV2Z/EKAc9tkgy3hAIZ7Cjlrb/Bpi4xJw4BxUZOLGFakWfxsQkzueKE4XhV6GW9MiW97ZG!Fl/b25jXHjw= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5110 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:836077 sci.physics.relativity:567056 rec.arts.sf.written:580375 Original title: La Plančte des singes Publication date: 1963 In inglish Planet of the Apes The Starmaker wrote: > > The Parallel 1963 > Written by: Rod Serling > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 12:54:33 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 7:32:43 PM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a note: Science fiction writers in those days get their information from...scientists. (ask H.G.Wells) > > > > > > > > > > But not a single one, from 1910 to 1965 (classic scify books were written in that period) dared to mess with any relativity. > > > > wat about: > > > > > > > > “Time for the Stars”, (1956) by Robert Heinlein is the classic two 18 > > > > year old twins separated when one goes on an interstellar voyage and > > > > returns about 70 years later having aged a personal 2 or 3 years story? > > > > > > > > > > They were very imaginative, but they were not crazy: gravitational waves, distorted space and time, no faster than c, ....... > > > > > > > > > > That would have put narrative boundaries in the unphysical "cage" that the fucker created while hallucinated. > > > > > > > > > > Shitty histories start early in the '70s: blackholes, wormholes, multiverse, etc. > > > > > > > > > > How many times did you see a movie "explaining" wormholes by using a folded page and a pencil making a hole through both sides? > > > > > > > > > > Or personal "proper time" much slower than the others, so that person is invisible to humans (I wonder why never is depicted as a statue). > > > > > > > > > > Fuck Al and heirs. They killed storylines, so we have to deal with Alien, Predator, Transformers,.... What a SOB! > > > > -- > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > and challenge > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > Never heard of it. I'll try to find it at several online repositories. > > > > > > Anyway, I was talking about famous books written in the golden age of scify. > > > > You didn't say "famous books", so you cannot raise the bar after the fact... > > > > Pierre Boulle’s 1963 novel La Plančte des Singes, via its Hollywood movie adaptation, arguably remains the most famous illustration of relativity in sci-fi. > > > > > Now, ideas for a baseline of narratives are scarce, > > > and popular books, films and TV series are blending scify+fantasy+terror+action+CGI+gender agenda+.... > > > > > > I have to stop. I have to see a re-run of Grimm. > > > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.