Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.snarked.org!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <60FF698C.82C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 19:03:56 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics Subject: Re: How many planets are there? 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You are guilty of splitting hairs. It does not really matter how you want to define "civilization", use whatever definition you like. It makes no difference whatsoever. It is just a guess or > estimate in any case. The Drake Equation is just a fun exercise, not a life-or-death combat, and all the 'rules' are loosey-goosey and your guess is not particularly important at all, you will still get an answer, and it will > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a pattern, Everytime you show you don't know somehing you > > > > believe people are making it up. > > > > > > So, show me to be wrong. Show me where Drake mentioned radio telescopes. Put up or shut up. Otherwise, I say you are making it up. You don't get to say stuff that you cannot confirm as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > What do you mean "where Drake mentioned radio telescopes"???? Drake was working as a radio astronomer...he used radio telecopes!!!! > > > > You're telling me Drake is...retarded? > > > > > > I wrote: > > > > "the Drake equation defines a “civilization” as a species possessing radiotelescopes. By this definition, civilization did not appear on Earth until the 1930s." > > > > it is right here: > > https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2018/02/16/mistakes-in-the-drake-equation/ > > That's a nice article, but nowhere does it give that definition of a "civilization", you have made that up... and besides, we are talking about the original Drake Equation, not some fellow's critique of it, or his modern update of it. That is all fine and dandy but is >definitely not part of this discussion. THIS IS INSANITY!!!! You first wrote: Show me where Drake mentioned radio telescopes. Now, you want "definition of a "civilization"" There is no end to your...MADNESS!! Here ia a quote directly from Fraud Drake ... "As I planned the meeting, I realized a few day[s] ahead of time we needed an agenda. And so I wrote down all the things you needed to know to predict how hard it's going to be to detect extraterrestrial life. And looking at them it became pretty evident that if you multiplied all these together, you got a number, N, which is the number of detectable civilizations in our galaxy. This was aimed at the radio search, and not to search for primordial or primitive life forms." Frank Drake Now, multible choice 0, 1, 2, or 3? > > > > > > > > What do you mean "where Drake mentioned radio telescopes"???? Drake was working as a radio astronomer...he used radio telecopes!!!! THIS IS INSANE!!!! > > Sure, but radio telescopes were never mentioned in the original Drake Equation, and that is a fact. Look here... > > https://www.seti.org/drake-equation-index > > > > > > > another nut in a science newsgroups! > > > > > > bunch of mad scientists here... > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.