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Re: Pseudoscience III: Each SR/GR experiment is a FRAUD!

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Den 27.09.2024 00:27, skrev rhertz:
> Paul, more beating on you. I feel bad.
> 
> 1) Check AGAIN the Hafele's chart. from 1971. Use the red line for h=0.
> 
> 2) Check out this comparison: Mudrak 2017 (Galileo) vs. Hafele 1971.
> 
> Feel ashamed or stupid. These are your only choices, old man.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> Mudrak's 2017 formula for GNSS Galileo:
> 
> Δf/f₀ = -GMₑ/c²r - (-GMe/c²a (1 + J₂/2)) - (vˢᵃᵗ)²/2c² + (aΩₑ)²/2c²
> 
> J₂/2 = 0.0005413134 (DISCARDED FOR BEING << 1)

But to find Δf/f₀ with a precision 1E-14 you can't
ignore the quadrupole moment.

https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf

> 
> Δf/f₀ = -GMₑ/c² (1/r - 1/a) - 1/2c² [(vˢᵃᵗ)²+ (aΩₑ)²]
> 
> If a (satellite height) is only "h" times higher than r (i.e. 10 Km),
> then
> 
> Δf/f₀ = gh/c² - [(vˢᵃᵗ)²+ (rΩₑ)²]/2c²   ----- Mudrak 2017

Correcting typo:
Δf/f₀ = gh/c² - [(vˢᵃᵗ)² - (rΩₑ)²]/2c²   ----- Mudrak 2017

> 
> Δτ/τ₀ = gh/c² - (2RΩv + v²)/2c² ------------ Hafele 1971
> 
> Does it rings any bell on the void of your skull, or should I explain?

You don't have to explain, I can guess what your blunder is:

You think the kinematic terms are different in the two equations.

> 
> Who made a fraudulent approximation in GR using Schwarzschild?
> 
> I'll cease to post on this thread, because I'm bored as hell with you.

I can understand why you are frustrated by being proven wrong again and 
again.

And again:

See equation (12)in:
https://paulba.no/pdf/H&K_like.pdf

The kinematic term can be written:  +(v₁² - v₂²)/2c²
where v₁ is the speed in the ECI frame of the clock on the ground.
and v₂ is the speed in the ECI frame of the moving object.

In Mudrak's case v₁ = rΩₑ and v₂ = vˢᵃᵗ, so obviously:

+(v₁² - v₂²)/2c² = - [(vˢᵃᵗ)² - (rΩₑ)²]/2c²

In Hafele's case it is not so obvious because v is the ground speed.
v is positive for the eastward trip and negative for the westward trip.

  v₁ = RΩ and v₂ = RΩ + v

v₁²-v₂² = (RΩ)² - (RΩ + v)² = (RΩ)² -((RΩ)² + 2RΩv + v²) = -(2RΩv + v²)

+(v₁² - v₂²)/2c² = - (2RΩv + v²)/2c²

So the two equations are equal.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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