Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.electronics.design,sci.math Subject: Re: energy and mass Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 11:47:03 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 266 Message-ID: <69BAF327.200C@ix.netcom.com> References: <10nomum$1co15$1@dont-email.me> <10oig5k$1vnu9$1@dont-email.me> <10ok20b$2ecdb$2@dont-email.me> <9BidnZpssdVDCDD0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <10ol95q$2tjpk$1@dont-email.me> <10omgpr$39lir$3@dont-email.me> <10oo2fm$3tgh1$3@dont-email.me> <1rrr1y3.137tengtz8bx3N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <189b9cf75a84a510$418871$3719901$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <10oqtn6$qhf1$4@dont-email.me> <10ou83q$1s15s$5@dont-email.me> <10p1eqh$3a2h8$7@dont-email.me> <69B78A20.2240@ix.netcom.com> <10p8n92$1tf8d$1@dont-email.me> <69B827FA.667C@ix.netcom.com> <10pauhm$2ldum$4@dont-email.me> <69B90D4A.CB1@ix.netcom.com> <10pbkvs$2u86c$2@dont-email.me> <69B990A7.1129@ix.netcom.com> <10pdas8$3h168$3@dont-email.me> <69BA53EC.676@ix.netcom.com> <10pdt44$3n2fa$3@dont-email.me> <69BAE9E5.712@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 18:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dbc1093a9fe697e51dd2091650558c7c"; logging-data="64070"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+LCm/CRaiCkRkrSHJ+PpJP9MmrW3Hb15A=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Nflq7EKf2Uy1FrP6VeCbkBCQMAc= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 260318-4, 03/18/2026), Outbound message Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:670120 sci.electronics.design:741852 sci.math:644153 The Starmaker wrote: > > Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > On 18/03/2026 6:27 pm, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Bill Sloman wrote: > > >> > > >> On 18/03/2026 4:34 am, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>> Bill Sloman wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> On 17/03/2026 7:14 pm, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:55 am, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:42 pm, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2026 8:24 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 12:29 schrieb Bill Sloman: > > >>>>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and isn't worth the effort until you have lots of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations to make sense of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Your naive positivism is playing up again. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best counterexample: general relativity. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't based on any observation. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it was based on some madness of an > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane crazy instead. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was about as sane as anybody could be. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally think, that Einstein was what I would call a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'disinformation agent'. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to think that. I wouldn't go around telling other people > > >>>>>>>>>>>> that you think that - it would suggest that you had a rather poor > > >>>>>>>>>>>> grasp of reality > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Most likely he wasn't even a Jew and a Swiss from birth. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Lots of people were happy to claim him as being Jewish after he got > > >>>>>>>>>>>> famous. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> If Einstein wasn't actually a Jew, this would be a possible explanation > > >>>>>>>>>>> for why he rejected the presidency of Israel, which was offered to him. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Would have been quite dangerous, if he had actually accepted and would > > >>>>>>>>>>> been asked to prove his jewishness. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> A much more likely explanation is that he didn't fancy becoming some > > >>>>>>>>>> kind of figurehead to be rolled out on ceremonial occasions. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> It would have distracted him from the scientific work that he kept on > > >>>>>>>>>> doing all his life. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Oh Yes, the scientific work that he kept on > > >>>>>>>>> doing all his life was figuring out how to teleport a Navy war ship from > > >>>>>>>>> one city to another city... > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Einstein was working on...Quantum Teleportation. Called "The Einstein's > > >>>>>>>>> Continuum of Spatio-Temporal" > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> "The Einstein's continuum of spatio-temporal which enabled idea of > > >>>>>>>>> quantum teleportation, which represents technique of dematerialization > > >>>>>>>>> of the matter, in one location and 'faxing', namely, electronic > > >>>>>>>>> transmission to quantum state on the other > > >>>>>>>>> location, in order to be materialized there." > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> (dematerialization in one location, and materialized on the other > > >>>>>>>>> location). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Larry Niven described it better - as a science fiction author he had to. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Attributing it to Einstein seems to be pure invention. It didn't show up > > >>>>>>>> in 1950's science fiction, and Einstein died in 1955. > > >>>>>>>>> Put simply, it would get you from here to there... > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> You. or something that might look very like you. Transforming some 70kgm > > >>>>>>>> of matter into energy and transforming it back to matter implies > > >>>>>>>> transmitting great deal of energy. A hydrogen bomb transforms 0.7kgm of > > >>>>>>>> mass into energy. Transforming the energy into exactly the right sort of > > >>>>>>>> matter to exactly duplicate you might be tricky > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "exactly duplicate", or making a copy is not how it works. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It is simply a 'cut and paste'. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You cut it from and paste it there. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Like on a computer.. > > >>>>>>> you just highlight the whole folder with a blue light, then you, > > >>>>>>> you...cut-and-paste it > > >>>>>>> to your other hard drive and it reappears there! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Not copy and paste, cut and paste. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> A distinction without meaning. "Cut and paste" is just "copy and paste" > > >>>>>> followed by "delete the original". Somebody with a very tight memory > > >>>>>> budget might cut, paste and delete in very small chunks. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You scan each atom > > >>>>>>> delete it. and paste it there. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Which would mean that there would be a point where you'd have half a > > >>>>>> person at each end of the link, both dead, unless you could complete the > > >>>>>> process in less than a millisecond. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> spooky at a distance. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Why do you think Einstein didn't finish it? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Have you any evidence to suggest that Einstein even started on it? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yes, you gave us the evidence. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> You wrote: "It would have distracted him from the scientific work that > > >>>>> he kept on doing all his life." > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> You were referring to his Grand Unified Theory he was working on all his > > >>>>> life. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> What do you think the Grand Unified Theory 'is'? > > >>>> > > >>>> It includes gravity as well as electromagnetism and the weak and strong > > >>>> nuclear forces. > > >>>> > > >>>>> In 'science jargon' it's: 'When a mass moves, the force acting on other > > >>>>> masses had been considered to adjust instantaneously to the new location > > >>>>> of the displaced mass.' > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In other words... make a ship invisible and transport it to another > > >>>>> place. > > >>>> > > >>>> No. > > >>>> > > >>>>> You scan the atom (all the atoms) of the ship, delete it, and paste it > > >>>>> another place. > > >>>> > > >>>> Lovely if you could do it, but you probably need to invent a new > > >>>> universe with new and different physical laws to make it possible > > >>>> > > >>>>> "The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force > > >>>>> fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known > > >>>>> physical laws. > > >>>>> ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was > > >>>>> never completed. > > >>>>> During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's > > >>>>> Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and > > >>>>> explosions. " > > >>>> > > >>>> The Bureau of Ordance wanted a celebrity name to play with. > > >>>> > > >>>>> I think I have around somewhere a blackboard with all the math on it > > >>>>> 'about getting from here to there' teleportation...celestial mechanics. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> but it is not finished... > > >>>> > > >>>> Like a lot of other research projects. Mostly when you dig deep enough, > > >>>> you find out that an idea is never going to work. If your success rate > > >>>> is better than 30% you are going to get scooped by other researchers > > >>>> uncomfortably often. > > >>>> > > >>>> Good ideas have a nasty habit of striking different people in different > > >>>> places at much the same time. A friend ended up making $A12 million out > > >>>> of an idea he patented. Tektronix had applied for a provisional patent > > >>>> six weeks earlier, but abandoned it without spending the much larger > > >>>> sums that would have been required to register an actual patent. > > >>> > > >>> It's also not science fiction as you claim to be...\\ > > >> > > >> It certainly is science fiction, which doesn't stop people having > > >> half-baked ideas about using it in real life. > > >> > > >>> Using refined tools and long series of experiments, Anton Zeilinger started to use entangled quantum states. > > >>> Among other things, his research group has demonstrated a phenomenon called quantum teleportation, which makes it possible to move a quantum state from one particle to one at a distance. > > >>> > > >>> https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ae20d8bd47daad1&hl=en&gbv=2&sxsrf=ANbL-n4iBGManDUb2_O74J964ltj7MZlqg%3A1773767645872&q=nobel+prize+quantum+telepor > > >> > > >> A quantum state doesn't have any mass. > > >> > > >>> The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger > > >>> for their pioneering work on quantum entanglement, which laid the foundation for the field of quantum information science, including quantum teleportation. > > >>> > > >>> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/#:~:text=Using%20refined%20tools%20and%20long,the%20Nobel%20Committee%20for%20Physics. > > >>> > > >>> and that 'blackboard' is Albert Einstein's promotion for...teleportation. > > >>> > > >>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > > > >>> 'beam me up, Scotty.' > > >> > > >> Since Scotty was always pixels on a screen, \it an illusion. > > >> > > >>> I notice you have a Scottish accent... > > >> > > >> Via my wife I hung out with quite a few dialect experts. My accent is > > >> educated Australian, slightly soften by 22 years living in England. One > > >> work colleague - with whom I'm still in contact - is Scottish, but I > > >> don't seem to have picked up his accent. > > >> > > >>> are you slow? > > >> > > >> My surname is a west country surname - there are more pages of Slomans > > >> in the Taunton telephone directory than in the London telephone > > >> directory - and it is a contraction of Sloughman, who was some who > > >> farmed bottom land close to a river. > > >> > > >> I'm not slow - both my parents had university degrees and I got a Ph.D. > > >> All my nieces and nephews have been to university and graduated - one > > >> now works for Google. My father's sister married a very clever vet, who > > >> ended up with a D.Sc, and both their kids were professors at Adelaide > > >> University for a bit. It isn't a high prestige school and both moved on > > >> to better jobs. That is the clever branch of the family. My father's 25 > > >> patents - I've only got three - instills a certain measure of humility. > > From slow +? man, a nickname for a sluggish person. > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sloman > > > > > > > Now I understand why teachers blow up in rocketships...the engineers > > > don't understand physics. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster > > > > > The engineers has warned management, "but neither NASA nor the SRB > > manufacturer Morton Thiokol had addressed this known defect. NASA > > managers also disregarded engineers' warnings about the dangers of > > launching in low temperatures and did not report these technical > > concerns to their superiors." > > > > It was a management screw up. The engineers had done their jobs and > > warned management, but management ignored them. It happens a lot. > > > > "It happens a lot."???? You mean, you look the other way. > > then you take bets in the bathroom, will she live or die? > > I can bet on that today, can I? Kalshi. > > no more bathroom bets. > > I bet she dies...I seen the engineers...too weak. > > You know, no one ever told the teacher what were the odds... Let's call it what it is, the engineers are guilty of negligent MURDER. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.