Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics Subject: Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 11:48:02 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 68 Message-ID: <68584FE2.552B@ix.netcom.com> References: <684DCF74.4FB4@ix.netcom.com> <1038akn$14dra$1@solani.org> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d01b751374d07075a94c576cde8adcae"; logging-data="735118"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19h063hJit89F312WnhJf7vOTYGU9Wtbvo=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:z1mAZHJvmE+DsMEM4RtSDX0tQUA= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 250622-4, 06/22/2025), Outbound message X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:664475 sci.physics:893510 Jan Panteltje wrote: > > >anthk wrote or quoted: > >>On 2025-06-14, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>Can a Machine become self-aware? > >>We are part of the universe, and we are self-aware. > > > > Self-wareness is an experience that depends on being the > > entity that experiences it, so it cannot be observed from > > the outside and therefore also not be expressed in words. > > > > If you are self-aware, you probably know that you are self- > > aware, but you cannot know for sure whether something else > > is self-aware. > > Keep it simple. > In all the 'neurons' or nerve cells, some monitor what other cells do as system to keep life moving. > Its purpose is likely communication. > > When a new born baby is hungry, or feels pain it will scream. > The monitor cells issue a trigger to the voice. > Almost the same as the reaction to pain reflex when you burn your finger etc. > Those monitoring calls are the 'I' as in 'I am'. > We TEACH the kinds who they are, YOU are 'Peter' > and the monitoring system then repeats , > this 'knowledge' ever grows (memory). > IIRC it is build mostly in the frontal cortex, part of our 'world view'. > You can make it 'learn' with a few lines of code in the sunscreen example I gave. > Voice (word) recognition libraries plenty for for example Linux. > After telling it his name is 'Peter' ask it who it is. > Who are you? > I am peter . > > Add a bit more stuff and it will fool many here :-) > > But basically it is just a monitoring circuit for the cells. > Add a camera, object recognition.. > Ask Peter 'Who am I?' > The answer will be you name. > > Who are you? > I am Peter. > Peter How's you battery level? > 20% and falling. > I need recharge > > beep Monkies gorrilas chimpanzees dogs cats elephants ants insects birds fishes have absolutely no self-awareness. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.